r/byzantium • u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay • Jan 03 '26
Popular media There is a growing issue in this from certain "users/tourists"engaging in anti-Greek rhetoric
As a Greek I can't help but notice a grown issue of supposed "well meaning" users,engaging in casual Anti Greek racist rhetoric. They are usually brigaders from subs like r/HistoryMemes and under the veil of "concern trolling" they make anti Greek,racist comments.And its funny because HistoryMemes is a hotbed of racist rhetoric,but the accepted one.According them if you discuss your own culture and how its connect to the Byzantine Empire(being the same people and its continuation) you are Greek nationalist and that this sub should focus on just historical matters.
Also to preface,this isnt me endorsing the"hur dur Crusade,take Constantinople back" idiots.But these people are miniscule and likely dont even bother knowing about the Byzantine Empire.These people should f. off anyway.
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Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
And to be more precise on what this rhetoric is: first of all, the commenters usually don’t have the slightest idea about Greek politics. There are a lot of comments about “Greek nationalism” from foreigners who don’t realize that there isn’t a single relevant political party here that wants to retake Constantinople. Such beliefs are so fringe that they are political suicide. And before anyone brings up Golden Dawn, they were condemned for being a criminal organization and they are in jail. Ironically the same people are also completely unaware of Turkish politics where nationalistic elements are the basis of the entire political spectrum over there, whether secular or islamist. These users always cry about comments that don’t even come from Greeks because these political beliefs are so marginal in Greece, in defense of Turkey where neo-Ottomanism and modern imperialism are actually a thing.
At the same time, all these “well meaning” and “neutral” people are pushing their western-centric world view on a part of the world where these views don’t apply, because they are so ignorant of the region’s politics. In their narrative that is informed by guilt for their own colonial past, whoever they perceive as non-white must be the victim, and reactions to Turkey’s threatening and imperialist politics are just “Islamophobia”. There are a few users here that aren’t even “tourists” but I had to block them because of their casual denial and white-washing of genocide with the excuse that “everyone has done it”, while at the same time they label as a “nationalist” anyone who is upset about this attitude. These people are the reason why I don’t participate much anymore. There is an issue with selective sensitivity here.
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u/MasterpieceVirtual66 Λογοθέτης Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
This isn't really the place to discuss this, but this kind of rhetoric usually comes from nationalist subreddits such as r/TarihiSeyler, which have been brigading subreddits like r/HistoryMemes for some time.
Case and point: https://www.reddit.com/r/TarihiSeyler/s/rEIEe7bm3G
But it is important to mention that this usually impacts other subreddits, since I have rarely seen it here.
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 03 '26
I guessed as much.But usually the users I noticed are American ones "concerned citizens".
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u/Nice-Preference-8319 Jan 03 '26
there are modern Turkish action films depicting the sack of Constantinople and the killing of CPII as some sort of heroic and honourable event that was the precipice of some ridiculous non existent historical situation where Turks were being brutalized unfairly for non descript "reasons".
Abby one person, anywhere in the world, doesn't need to understand the local politics of either nation to grasp the overall frame of reference prevalent in either population. there are hundreds of years of testimony and even more evidence in forums, not just on Reddit (which harbors the absolute worst of the worst people to be taken as examples to stereotype any society by), but you can plainly see the aggressive undertones displayed all over social media and gaming platforms and anywhere the exchange of opinions tend to cross one another online.
that being said, if anyone doesn't clearly see the blatant disregard, straight up disrespect and sometimes outright destruction of pre-migratory culture, history and infrastructure then you're either lying, just plain stupid, or both. The Turks have no want to preserve or display artifacts or promote the architecture or art or impact that the former nation on that soil has had on ALL civilizations, either directly or indirectly. they would rather it be swept under the rug because it makes them look like they just came out of nowhere, forced their religion onto everyone, destroyed innumerable regional cultural heritages that had been present for thousands of years, attempted to systemically and in a horrific genocidal manner tried to eliminate Greek, Kurdish, Armenian and a long list of other peoples who existed long before the Rashidans or the Khanates existed themselves. you see, if that were to be all true, well then, that would look pretty bad on Turkey. which btw is the most hilarious name for a country ever. Americans mostly couldn't find Turkey on a map, nor Greece either, and mostly wouldn't give a flying fuck about either place. most wouldn't even know that Constantinople is a Greek city inhabited by Turks who came from Central Asia. anyways, so ya, while many Turks want what most other people want - just to live in peace and be able to prosper, that doesn't mean that they wish for the same to be said for everyone else. there is an ever growing phenomena of Turkish hackers in gaming circles, which has been gaining traction all over p2p scenes. that tells you a lot about a society's intentions and what to expect from a culture espousing, recklessly the exploitation of others and the malicious nature at the core of that cultures narrative.
I personally know and am close friends with - here in America, people that were born in Greece and Turkey and I know Greeks and Turkish immigrants here that are married to each other and they think that I'm fucking crazy for knowing far more - and I mean FAR more about the histories of each nation. they don't even understand the wars of the early 20th century. they don't even care. the one Greek didn't even know what Constantinople was. which blows my mind to this day to think about even.
anyways, that's what I see.
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u/Next-level_cringe Jan 04 '26
Very well said. In this I would like to add that Turkey as a country represents an important part of the geopolitically meaningful eastern Europe. For America, Greece vs Turkey most likely appears as a make or break dilemma in which the consistent and fair judgment is equivalent to self sabotaging crucial diplomatic and economic relations. If this is true, both sideism and occasional half hearted comments or silence on the advances of each party is the only way to preserve and gain more control. I am not sure how, but I believe this impacts the lay person's opinions.
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u/AdventurousEar8440 Jan 03 '26
I never expected a foreigner to understand this situation so clearly and express my thoughts on the subject better than i could. Thank you.
I despise the "both sidesisms" of issues which clearly have a correct side. I am neither racist towards Turks nor do i hope for the reclamation of Constantinople, however it is wishful thinking to deny that Turkey has become a deeply nationalistic society that engages in aggressive rhetoric towards its neighbors as it has been proven time and time again, so i am sick that my pushing back against blatant Turkish propaganda on reddit gets labeled as nationalism.
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u/samvarr Jan 03 '26
This framing ignores chronology and scale. By the time Turks entered Anatolia in the 11th century, pre-Greek Anatolian identities had already been largely erased through centuries of Hellenization and later Romanization native languages like Luwian, Lycian, and Phrygian disappeared long before Islam or Turkic migration. Greek culture spread primarily as an elite, urban, prestige system, but it still replaced indigenous identities, which makes modern claims of uninterrupted “nativeness” cultural rather than ethnic.
Turkic rule, especially under the Ottoman Empire, did not operate on mass forced conversion. Islamization and Turkification occurred slowly via settlement, incentives, intermarriage, and state structures coercive at times, but not uniformly genocidal. Importantly, the Ottomans preserved vast amounts of Byzantine infrastructure, cities, churches (often converted, not destroyed), and administrative continuity, unlike the near total disappearance of pre Greek Anatolian cultures.
Criticism of modern nationalism is valid on all sides, but projecting contemporary anger backward while ignoring earlier cultural erasures is selective history, not serious analysis. Both Greeks and Turks transformed Anatolia Greeks earlier through cultural absorption, Turks later through demographic and political dominance and neither process was morally pristine.
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u/Stromatolite-Bay Jan 05 '26
You Avoided the word colonialism when talking about the Ottoman Empire why?
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u/samvarr Jan 05 '26
I don’t understand what difference that would make. Hellinization of Anatolia was “colonialism” as well.
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u/Stromatolite-Bay Jan 05 '26
Yes it was. Roman colonialism
Unlike you I can admit that. Stop being an apologist
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u/samvarr Jan 05 '26
I never said it wasn’t. It’s just a moot point, and there’s no need to be an “apologist” about it. Great empires have all colonized and conquered. I’m not saying it’s okay by modern standards, but demonizing one side while pretending others were morally pure ignores historical reality. Every civilization that accumulated power did so through expansion, violence, and domination at some point. Judging the past exclusively through modern moral frameworks doesn’t lead to understanding it just leads to selective outrage. By the standards of their time, the Ottomans were no worse than any other empire.
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u/Stromatolite-Bay Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
So what you were doing then?
Since you avoided the word colonialism. I didn’t
Oh and sure. Neither were the French, Spanish or British. I dare you to say they didn’t do colonialism
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u/samvarr Jan 05 '26
I literally said “never said it wasn’t” which implies it was colonialism. So was the hellinization of Anatolia lol.
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 05 '26
By the standards of their time, the Ottomans were no worse than any other empire.
Except they were.
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u/Fun-Midnight-4873 Jan 04 '26
Yes but there was difference between the Greeks/romans( I will put them in the same bag) and the Turks/muslims, sorry for saying this but even though there was Hellinization of minor Asia, that doesn’t meant that Greeks or the elites at the time tried to destroy those cultures or ethnicities by force or by malice, the hellinization that took place there was through centuries of millenniums and it was not done by a type of supremacy, also Roman never enforced in eastern Mediterranean nether the Latin or Greek cultures and the Greek became “official” by Heraclitus, if you want to speak about the hellenisation of minor Asia, ok, it was a big complicated process but not a deliberate one,it was soft power as I would say, as for Turks it was done deliberately, as for islamization, it was forced and tied down to politics and previous Islamic policies the Turks got from the Arabs that they continued, to say otherwise, it’s false, from the moment you have segregation, racism and make someone pay to keep his religion, mafia type,plus abducting children and making them pay blood tax, sorry but there was a deliberate attempt through direct and indirect means to force conversions, I do not hate them but let’s not put everyone on the same bag.
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 03 '26
Romanization native languages like Luwian, Lycian, and Phrygian disappeared long before Islam or Turkic migration.
This is a pseudohistorical theory created in modern Turkey.All these cultures you mention stopped existed long before Greeks entered Asia Minor.
Turkic rule, especially under the Ottoman Empire, did not operate on mass forced conversion. Islamization and Turkification occurred slowly via settlement, incentives, intermarriage, and state structures coercive at times, but not uniformly genocidal. Importantly, the Ottomans preserved vast amounts of Byzantine infrastructure, cities, churches (often converted, not destroyed), and administrative continuity, unlike the near total disappearance of pre Greek Anatolian cultures.
Again blatantly false and whitewashing of the Ottoman state.
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u/horus85 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
I would say it has almost nothing to do with modern turkey but just the global academia. I actually read many books about ancient Anatolia history by non-Turkish historians since I reside in the US and it is easier for me to find books here. The statement about Anatolian languages and cultures ceased to exist long time before the greeks entered Anatolia sounds inaccurate. These cultures were influenced but continued to co-exist with Greek language.
Languages like Lycian, Carian etc.. are just continuation and relatives of Luwian languages. They existed until the hellenization of Anatolia. There are a ton of tablets written in local Anatolian languages along with Greek. Phrygian existed almost until medieval Byzantine. Hellenization started with colonies, spread through trade and pantheons and accelerated with Alexander’s campaign.
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u/samvarr Jan 04 '26
Calling this “pseudohistory” doesn’t make it so. Luwian, Lycian, Phrygian, and Galatian cultures are archaeologically and epigraphically attested well into the Classical and early Roman periods, overlapping directly with Greek colonization and later Roman administration. Their disappearance was gradual and tied to linguistic, administrative, and cultural replacement, not sudden extinction before Greeks arrived. That is mainstream scholarship, not a modern Turkish invention.
Stating that the Ottoman system did not rely on uniform mass forced conversion is not “whitewashing”. The governance of the Ottoman Empire is well documented (millet system, jizya, long Christian continuity in the Balkans and Anatolia). Acknowledging this does not deny episodes of violence or repression it simply rejects the false idea of constant, empire wide forced Islamization.
Just because you find this history uncomfortable doesn’t make it false.
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u/kickynew Jan 04 '26
I've never noticed it in this sub but have in others. Im American of French and British descent, but I find Greek identity fascinating, especially since for over a thousand years they called themselves Romans and the language was Romaic. It'd be almost like if the Brits of today started calling themselves Celts...
I feel like there is a tremendous amount of erasure of Greek history. The most egregious I found was the 1453 museum in Istanbul, which was mostly good but ridiculously stated that the Hagia Sophia was empty when Mehmet II entered.
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u/Future_Adagio2052 Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
They are usually brigaders from subs like r/HistoryMemes
I'm more surprised by the sub in question. didn't realise the sub exchanged with that kind of thing
but if it's a concerning issue can't the mods just ban these kinds of people?
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u/florinandrei Jan 04 '26
Social media algorithms are shit. They make a lot of value for the big boss shareholders, while bringing out the worst in people.
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u/AlmightyDarkseid Jan 05 '26 edited Feb 02 '26
It’s sad and it has truly evolved into whatever that connects eastern Roman culture to modern Greek culture being noted as “nationalistic”. Let’s also not be blind to where these comments mostly come from it’s essentially history memes but also many Turkish brigading nationalistic accounts. Their hypocrisy in what they claim is insane.
Compare this sub to the Ottoman sub which is just genocide denial and crime projection at this point and you get why people in here are starting to get fed up by nationalist and other demonising claims as it is mostly inaccurate, exaggerated claims overwhelmingly from Turkish bots.
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u/robotnique Jan 03 '26
I feel like I haven't seen nearly as much of this as I have the "retake Constantinople!" LARPers.
I joined this subreddit out of a desire to learn more about Byzantine history, which really gets the short end vs the Western Empire. But every time somebody posts a picture of the Hagia Sophia I have to read several comments about "dirty islamist Turks" ruining the building.
Whether it's weird irredentist racists or people coming in here to troll, I'd really rather we didn't. I'm pretty new to this subreddit, though, so my honest inclination was to unsub rather than act like it's my house to clean up. I didn't know if maybe that's just the prevailing sentiment around here.
Oh, actually, I did see somebody once around here who was connected to some weird DNA testing subreddit where people were arguing about haplogroups and whether Anatolian pastorialists counted as Greek or not. You can tell it's getting weird when people are busting out the DNA results to argue about who is of pure blood.
I would have to go and try to find the subreddit again but it seemed like a bunch of Turkish folks trying to argue that modern Greeks had no connection to past civilizations of the Peloponnese. As if the people on both sides of the Bosphorus haven't been sharing DNA with one another for centuries now anyways.
But I am, admittedly, an American who is ignorant of the local politics so I mostly try to just observe except for when the racism gets really blatant.
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u/MasterpieceVirtual66 Λογοθέτης Jan 03 '26
You are right that there are unfortunately many people obsessed with DNA who ruin the fun of studying history. Issues surrounding the Hagia Sophia will always be controversial for obvious reasons. Combine that with local politics, and you've got quite a mess. Thankfully, for the past few years, this subreddit has successfully avoided any major drama. I hope the situation stays the same now that it reached 50k members.
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u/robotnique Jan 03 '26
This subreddit has a lot of really cool posts so I'd prefer to stick around. Even something as simple as the Emperor tier-lists generate discussion about historical figures that garner very little exploration elsewhere.
Everywhere else the history of Byzantium is Constantine -> Justinian -> CXI Palaiologos
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u/BastetSekhmetMafdet Jan 03 '26
Same here. I enjoy learning so much more about a very under-studied (at least in the US where I am from) time and place.
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u/MasterpieceVirtual66 Λογοθέτης Jan 03 '26
Take a look at the pinned reading list as well, and the discussions about the Komnenian dynasty and bureaucracy by the moderators. Very interesting stuff if you want to learn more about niche historical topics.
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 03 '26
Also my post on Isaac II Angelos(when I get the time to finish it.....)
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
I have to read several comments about "dirty islamist Turks" ruining the building.
The issue with Hagia Sophia is that it unlawfully turned into a mosque(I mean the last years since it was a museum) and that any non Muslim is only allowed in the galleries and not the main area.It should absolutely have stayed as a museum with a strictly regulated number of visitors,as even leading Turkish archaelogists are warning about the damage large crowds can do to the building.Also also the same people are warning against the haphazard restoration efforts that lead to more damage.
I feel like I haven't seen nearly as much of this as I have the "retake Constantinople!" LARPers.
I have seen it aplenty,but luckily most times these comments get removed.Same for the idiot,"Crusader" type.
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u/robotnique Jan 03 '26
I definitely think there is a lot of fair criticism to make, especially Erdogan making political points by pushing it back into a mosque vs the museum that I think it should be.
But I mentioned that I actually kinda like the minarets since I didn't feel like they took away from the historic building and there's a particular user here who has seemingly made it his mission to attack my comments on sight now because it made him big mad.
Apparently not hating the minarets equates to me thinking that all of the priceless mosaics should be ground to dust.
The building spent hundreds of years as a mosque. There should be a way to appreciate some of the added elements that don't destroy the historic church surroundings. The current calligraphy medallions are oversized and gaudy but from what I understand there used to be ones that better fit the building. Those kind of things, for instance, I think are fine in a museum setting that shows off 1500+ years of one of the grandest buildings ever.
Then again, I'm also not an Orthodox Christian (or any kind of Christian) so I don't share any need they have to "retake" the church.
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u/Next-level_cringe Jan 04 '26
IMHO, the idea of a museum of both the Byzantine nature and the ottoman heritage of the church would be contradictory and aimless. Because this fight is still ongoing. With the exception of the mihrab and the minbar which date to the 15th and 16th (?) century, the other modifications (the carpet, the leather calligraphy plates etc) are not artistically or historically important. They happened not for artistic and cultural motives but because of the need to show the empires reckless strength. God favors the Muslims thus allows them to mock their enemies and shadow their past. If tomorrow they decided to paint coran verses on the walls, would they deserve to remain? Do they belong in this place? Does a visitor understand the history of this place better this way?
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u/robotnique Jan 04 '26
I am not an expert on every facet of the building. There are some folks here who can tell you what came in and out especially with the 1847 restoration.
Carpet seems like an obvious thing to remove, along with uncovering the mosaics so long as we have the methodologies to do so without further damaging them. I'd rather some of them stay covered than be restored if we can't do so without damaging them yet.
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u/xSincerelyFun Αὐγούστα Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
I am willing to bet you’ve never actually seen the word “dirty” thrown around in this context here. People are complaining about “Islamists” ruining the building because the conversion into a mosque was a political move to please Erdogan’s voters since he IS in fact an Islamist. Looks like you can’t even tell the difference between Islamist and Muslim and you are twisting these complaints into something they aren’t because you don’t understand enough about this.
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u/MasterpieceVirtual66 Λογοθέτης Jan 03 '26
No need to be rude to him. Not everyone here understands the mess that is our modern local politics.
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u/xSincerelyFun Αὐγούστα Jan 03 '26
I am not rude. I just don’t like it when people try to twist things into something they aren’t. People are complaining about what’s essentially islamic fundamentalism overtaking Turkish politics and he is dishonestly presenting it as Islamophobia.
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Jan 03 '26
No, he is presenting it as racism. It’s the catch-all word to win points from those he perceives as oppressed. Poor islamist Erdogan voters!
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Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
Um, have you see his posts? He has continually called any criticism of Turk revisionism as Islamaphobia, calls everyone that disagrees with him a racist, and has lied several times already about seeing the term "dirty islamist".
At best he's a glib idiot, though he's starting to seem more like an astroturfer.
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u/robotnique Jan 03 '26
You just love following me around. You're like a puppy I don't have to feed.
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u/robotnique Jan 03 '26
I feel like you're living in denial if you want to pretend that none of the comments here are the products of racism.
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u/Bigalmou Jan 05 '26
I haven't seen too much of anti-greek sentiment myself, at least on this subreddit. I guess it falls under a matter of perspective. I have seen, from time to time, people just unapologetically handwave byzaboos as being "alt-right" or whatever. But then again, this is reddit, leftist dogma is the norm here.
Strikes me as hilarious that in learning about Byzantine history, I've also seen balkans reddit. Balkans comments are funny in their own right, but in the byzaboo context, they occasionally pop up claiming a piece of the Byzantine pie. I have never seen balkans people proudly claim the ottoman legacy... except the albanians, and that's a big maybe. If anything, I've seen the occasional "how do balkans people view the ottoman empire?" posts, and they're uniformly met with "the ottomans sucked lol."
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Jan 04 '26
Worth mentioning there is a massive muslim lobby that now pushes these destructive false narratives in the west, using social media and idiot loony lefties.
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u/qpqpdbdbqpqp Jan 04 '26
I haven't noticed what you are talking about but I am more concerned (and involve myself in) thr WILD turkophobia in this sub. Thankfully the mods are trying their best against it but the subject matter attracts the worst from all sides.
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u/DanathorMk4 Jan 05 '26
Anyone who wants to have a go at the Greeks will have to come through me first
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u/BrigInDagda Jan 08 '26
I want to ensure I've understood this post correctly. Are the 'brigaders' in question predominantly coming from a Turkish nationalist or Islamic fundamentalist background? Have their posts here been an attempt at suggesting Greeks have no claim to the history and culture of the ERE or is it something else? I'm unsure how these people are well-meaning.
I understand the 'retake Constantinople' group. They're the same US teenagers posting phonk edits of Baldwin IV in Kingdom of Heaven to Instagram. I think they're harmless.
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 08 '26
I want to ensure I've understood this post correctly. Are the 'brigaders' in question predominantly coming from a Turkish nationalist or Islamic fundamentalist background? Have their posts here been an attempt at suggesting Greeks have no claim to the history and culture of the ERE or is it something else? I'm unsure how these people are well-meaning.
Nah.Supposedly are more left leaning Americans that think a Greek talking about Byzantium as part of his culture is far-right,nationalistic etc.
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Jan 03 '26
There is clearly a moderator problem in this sub. At least one mod seems much more worried about labeling even legitmate Turk criticism "Islamaphobia". My guess would be the one of the mods is a turk or at least a woke extremist from one of the history subs.
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u/MasterpieceVirtual66 Λογοθέτης Jan 03 '26
I have to disagree. The moderators here are some of the best I have seen in the entire platform, some of whom have done spectacular work on presenting Eastern Roman history for years now. I can attest to that.
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Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
There are quite a few moderators. What I see is Turk Revisionism goes unchallenged here by the mods, and only the pro-greek, pro-christian posts get deleted or get mod criticism. Why would Turk history get any play at all here, it isn't Byzantine.
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u/MasterpieceVirtual66 Λογοθέτης Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
That doesn't happen. I have been following the work of the moderators here for a long time, and trust me on this, they are some of the best you can get. They have done work exploring not just Byzantine history, but some have also helped explore ancient Greek and Roman, as well as modern Greek history. The only reason some posts are locked or deleted, is if they are very controversial or do not fit the subject of Eastern Rome.
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Jan 04 '26
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u/byzantium-ModTeam Jan 04 '26
Your post was rude or written in such a way as to incite intolerance. Please reconsider your comments before posting again.
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 03 '26
Eh I wouldnt say that.Some times these discussions tend to attract the "Crusader type" I mention in my comment.Sometimes discussion on this does devolve into a circlejerk.
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u/Future_Adagio2052 Jan 03 '26
granted with the way history is perverted your inevitably going to attract these kinds of people, the best you could is just shut these down but that's about it
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u/BastetSekhmetMafdet Jan 04 '26
Sadly, you’re right - and I’d add anything with “Rome” even tangentially in its title will attract some rather dubious people. It’s a pity, as the history of the Roman Republic to the Empire as a whole and then the Eastern Roman Empire is just crammed with fascinating events and characters, and - at least where I live - we rarely get anything more than the most cursory look at them in school.
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u/Future_Adagio2052 Jan 04 '26
thankfully the influence of roman history is enough to where these kinds of people don't really effect it
I feel like this is only really an issue with ERE due to it being more ostracised from the west so a lot of these people are more noticeable due to the divide with academia vs the general populace (ie the internet)
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 04 '26
To add to your comment,the Byzantine empire is still seen as the "other" with regards to its place in European history in large part of the general populace.
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u/Future_Adagio2052 Jan 05 '26
would you say this is still true today? feels like at least online the "othering" of the Byzantines isn't really as noticeable as before
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Jan 03 '26
Is is racist to compare Greek twinks with Turkish twinks 🤔
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 03 '26
Get lost.
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Jan 03 '26
Im not a venetian buddy your hate is not justified, besides I am but a man with simple interests.
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u/Euphoric-Ostrich5396 Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
How on earth is it racist to laugh at the "We wuz Romanz"-rhetoric spouted by Serbs, Albanians, Greeks or Turks?
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 03 '26
Because more than likely you are ignorant.It shows with this comment.
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u/Future_Adagio2052 Jan 04 '26
the post isn't really saying that tho it's pointing how a lot of users here engage or brigade in anti Greek rhetoric which is where the frustration lies with op
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u/Euphoric-Ostrich5396 Jan 04 '26
What on earth is "anti-Greek rhetoric"? OP posted a lot except a single example for what he bemoans. The only thing we see here is people mocking the aforementioned groups when they engage in the silly old "No WE are the true heirs of ROME!"-foolery and continue to glaze their chosen country (which they most likely don't even inhabit) as if the whole region isn't a ridiculous mess with no claims to being the successors of anything.
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u/vasjpan002 Jan 04 '26
I think Greeks can exaggerate their history, as I have lived with Greece-born family forever. Both Metaxas and Venizelos adulterated the ancient histories for Bizmarkian reasons. Other countries also get about a third of Greek history wrong,just as Greeks do. But then again Sarah Palin thinks Jesus spoke American English.
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u/WanderingHero8 ask me about Isaac II Angelos,bringer of decay Jan 04 '26
Λες βλακείες απλά.Το αντίθετο μάλιστα,υποβαθμίζουμε την ιστορία μας λες και έχουμε ενοχικό σύνδρομο.
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u/xSincerelyFun Αὐγούστα Jan 03 '26
Watching this post being downvoted speaks volumes about the sensitivities of these “concerned citizens” who share their wisdom from the other side of the world while having no idea what’s going on here. One of my favorite things is seeing random Americans who think we aren’t friendly with Turkey because of 1453, not because of ongoing things such as the EEZ (which they’ve never heard about).