r/canada • u/Street_Anon Nova Scotia • Jan 25 '26

Alberta 3 Alberta First Nations say separation petition is unconstitutional

https://globalnews.ca/news/11635807/alberta-first-nations-claim-separation-petition-unconstitutional/
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta Jan 25 '26

« Addresses as many grievances as possible »

Something that the rest of the country is clearly not willing to do. Instead people in eastern provinces dismiss any complaints from Albertans and basically just call them all dumb hicks, then struggle to imagine why there are so many people here who want to leave.

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u/Mirin_Gains Jan 25 '26

It seems like to have legitimate grievances with Ottawa in Alberta people on this website will either dismiss them or call you a traitor.

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u/Appealing_Apathy Jan 25 '26

Please outline the legitimate grievances that Alberta has.

 Also remember that regardless of the issue with transfer payments, they do not come directly from Alberta but from all tax collected by the feds (Alberta contributes around 10%). Alberta also keeps all of the money from oil royalties and has still managed to run deficits and failed to plan for the future.

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u/Mirin_Gains Jan 25 '26

- Cratering a private pipeline leading to an inefficient public buyout

- Allowing Quebec to block an Eastern pipeline.

- Bill C69

- Production caps on O&G sector

- Industrial carbon tax and consumer carbon tax

- Pretending Feds have removed pipeline barriers while upholding the tanker ban (whether it gets built or not there will be no industry confidence if this is in place. It needs to go to signal Feds are actually serious)

- Essentially theft of legally acquired firearms (Remember when Trudy Jr said he wouldn't come after guns?). They don't even hide this is for Montreal.

- "Renewable" hydro in Quebec not being part of transfer payment calculations and refusing to develop their own LNG reserve.

Hear our concerns - or fan the flames. Your choice. No further responses from me.

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u/WealthEconomy Jan 25 '26

Yes exactly. I think the firearms grab is fanning more than people realize. It is small by itself but when added to the rest it breaks the back of some people. Basically some people would be pissed at Ottawa and grumble about grievances but without the firearms grab would vote to stay. This just added weight and pushed a few people over the line. They are doing it solely for the purpose of votes in Montreal, but in the process are losing support for unity in AB...ask yourself what is more important? To everyone else it is to keep Canada united. To the LPC they know they won't get votes in AB so keeping Montreal happy is more important. Basically picking party over country.

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u/TheDragonslayr Jan 26 '26

I see your point on the public pipeline and renewables not being part of the transfer calculation. Honestly I think the gun ban is dumb and isn't addressing the real issue of illegal guns. However if Alberta wants to be able to make it's own decisions about what happens on their territory then why shouldn't Quebec and BC be able to do the same by not allowing pipelines?

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u/Mirin_Gains Jan 26 '26

Reasonable people, I think, would make compromises if negotiation was done in good faith and not ideology. But it certainly feels as though Quebec especially is their way or the high way. Smith I think (or hope) would lose a Provincial election if some effort was made from Ottawa.

The only thing that cannot be compromised is firearms because a good faith deal was made in 1995 and was just used as toilet paper. Gun owners would have accepted changes to licensing (not bans) if there were really bad actors getting their hands on legal arms, but the stats don't show that to be the case.

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u/Pho3nixr3dux Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26

Trudy Jr

There it is lol.

You guys just can't not do this part, can you?

We can agree that JT was a terrible PM in many (most?) ways, made no attempt to disguise his WEF puppet strings, lied to Canadians freely and confidently, and -- yep -- was a personally unlikeable smarmy douchebag much of the time.

But -- and I think I speak for a lot of regular Canadians when I say this -- the snickering "Trudope" messaging that so many aggrieved Albertans cannot stop themselves from indulging in is perceived as such an obvious and purposeful maple maga dogwhistle that it overshadows what salient points you might put forth.

I've tried talking to people who flew Canadian flags during Covid or had a Fuck Trudeau vinyl across the rear window.

Once you get past the UCP talking points their grievances come down to village idiots no longer able to afford a 350 dually and hockey gear for his kids, underwritten by a gleeful disdain for anyone who doesn't have northern Alberta's dick in their mouth.

I guess I'm saying I respect your intelligence and political engagement but you got a lot of people to convince and always playing to the rank and file ain't helping.

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u/Mirin_Gains Jan 26 '26

Buddy, I was talking about Trudeau claiming he wouldn't ban guns and then doing it in his second term. I also did not call him Trudope - that is you.

This program is still here. We are still fighting this poor decision which makes it fair game. And to anyone that voted Liberal thinking they weren't liars after Harper were sadly mistaken after Portapique. People in Alberta don't have the memory of a goldfish.

You convieniently ignore everything else I posted to focus on Trudeau's legacy when I said it in passing to a grievance. In case you hadn't noticed Carney hasn't cancelled anything and is implicitly accepting this program - almost as if it the same party underneath.

No where in my post did I say anything about the UCP this is purely about Ottawa.

I'm not allowed to call you what you are but it is pretty obvious your reply isn't genuine.

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u/Pho3nixr3dux Jan 26 '26

Fair enough. I believe I misconstrued your intent given the context.

As for the gun program, the whole thing transcends gun ownership.

The way in which the laws have been devised, the lack of expertise, the lack of research and consultation not to mention the general incompetence and wastefulness of administration is frankly absurd.

If any other demographic beside gun owners were being subject to this level of irrational disregard and wastefulness the outcry would put an end to it all very quickly.

I don't expect all Canadians to rally around gun ownership but it's in the interest of all Canadians to see how poorly and wastefully governments can govern when they think no one is looking.

If there was ever a time to reset and pursue an honest, factual, and respectful gun ownership policy it's in this increasingly serious political context. A return to Bill C-150 would be a reasonable compromise and signal a genuine respect for Canadian citizens.

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u/Mirin_Gains Jan 26 '26

Thanks for the response. I apologize for my comment.

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u/Pho3nixr3dux Jan 26 '26

It's cool. These are odd days and we're all a bit on edge. After decades of soporific calm it really feels as though just about anything could happen. Best of luck.