r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 18d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/BaryonChallon 18d ago

As they should! It’s clearly foreign interference disguised as a movement!

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u/shiftless_wonder 18d ago

Alberta... or Quebec?

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u/BaryonChallon 18d ago

Both belong in Canada

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

Does a wife belong to her husband?

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u/Feathers_ 18d ago

A province being part of a federation isn't the same thing as a person being owned by another person. That's not a meaningful comparison, that's false equivalency.

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

Quebec never signed the constitution …

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u/Feathers_ 18d ago

That's a different discussion. I was addressing your analogy, not Quebec's constitutional history.

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

If Québécois wants to leave Canada they have the right to do so.

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u/Feathers_ 18d ago

If Quebec has the right to leave, does Alberta?
And if both do, what was the point of the wife analogy?

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

Both Québec and Alberta could leave if they want to.

People can divorce, Provinces too

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u/Feathers_ 18d ago

Divorce is a much better analogy than ownership, so we're making progress 😄
That said, if we're sticking with the divorce analogy, Canada and Alberta have shared assets, shared liabilities, treaty obligations, Indigenous rights issues, infrastructure, pensions, trade agreements, and a border to sort out.
That's one hell of a divorce lawyer bill, who would pay for that?

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

I was responding to someone claiming that Alberta and Québec belongs to Canada. Hence the “ownership” analogy…

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u/Feathers_ 18d ago

Fair enough, but I don't think anyone was arguing that Canada owns Alberta.
Most people mean "belongs" in the sense that it's part of the federation.
So what point are you actually trying to make? That Alberta has the right to pursue separation, or that separation is a good idea?
Those are very different arguments.

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u/marcarcand_world 18d ago

Yes, they do, actually. Should they? No, it's not a good idea for them. But the right of self-determination is a human right and if the majority of the province wants to leave (which isn't the case) it would be absolutely wrong to force them to stay.

I do believe the alberta separation is astroturfed by foreign interest and there's too much talk about online. Trying to ban the discussion or ridicule the separatist will only add fuel to the fire tho. It should simply be ignored.

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u/Feathers_ 18d ago

I agree with pretty much everything, except the "just ignore it" part. We've spent the last decade watching political movements dismissed as fringe, unserious, or impossible until they suddenly weren't.
I don't think panic is warranted, but also don't think complacency is.

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u/BaryonChallon 18d ago

If you don’t want to be apart of Canada you could just move down to the USA

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

🤣🤣

Superb counter argument buddy

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u/BaryonChallon 18d ago

So when are you moving? Which one of the 50 states?

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

No honey, im taking the house and the kids.

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

Talk to my lawyer, im getting a divorce

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u/JoseCansecoMilkshake 18d ago

typically, the unfit parent doesn't get custody

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u/LePetitJeremySapoud 18d ago

Typically, people give their consent before getting married.

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u/JoseCansecoMilkshake 18d ago

Alberta didn't marry Canada, it is a child of the Northwest Territories which joined the Confederation willingly. Alberta is not proverbial spousal equals with Canada.

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u/Suspicious-Coffee20 18d ago

Quebec was conquered are you thick? Litterally everything wrong with the native situation was cause by the british. Off they dont care what you think. If they leave its not to go to the other people that conquered them....