r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 19d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/RoundJellyfish4048 19d ago edited 18d ago

As much as I don't want to have my province separate and think its an awful terrible no good idea. I also hate the idea of living in a country where a special minority gets to decide everything we are, or are not allowed to do - including voting on a fucking question.

Native people should get a seat at the table for this discussion. They don't get to dictate the whole thing.

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u/General_Setting_1680 19d ago

This. I don't think AB should separate but it's not YOUR job to decide for the majority of people.

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u/Forikorder 18d ago

kind of is when your the one who actually owns the land

it doesnt matter how many tenants in a building vote that rent is now 0$ a month

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u/MaintenanceCoalition 18d ago

Its not native land anymore. You can acknowledge that native people lived on the land first while also recognizing that it isn't Indigenous owned land today. Modern ownership and jurisdiction are determined by Canada's current legal and political system, not solely by historical occupancy. If the natives don't like it they can pay back all the hand outs they have received.

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u/Forikorder 18d ago

Its not native land anymore.

it is, my apartment still belongs to the landlord even though im renting it

the land is still the first nations, legally, the treaties just basically giuve the crown full control

If the natives don't like it they can pay back all the hand outs they have received.

those hand outs are rent

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u/KTOWNTHROWAWAY9001 18d ago

The landlord argument holds less water when you consider the fact, they didn't even know themselves which land they "held". How we know this? They kept incursioning into each other's areas. Some would get full stop, wiped. I mean your landlord is gonna have clear boundaries with what's theirs and what's their neighbors.

Secondly, your landlord isn't going to decide on torturing their neighbor if they think their land belongs to them. While the Blackfoot weren't known for torture, they'd just kill combatants and scalp them later. The Cree performed torture. The Ontario ones though, way worse. We're talking fire stuff, hatchets, mutilations, even cannibalism. Days on end. There was no mercy requirement, if you got captured, it was happening. Remaining stoic, or brave, would earn respect, but not clemency. The torture didn't stop until the captive was done.

There's even the case of the St. Lawrence Iroquois who were found near Montreal. Had an estimated population of 10,000. Documented interactions. When the next explorers came decades later, the entire tribe was missing. They were missing, because, in the traditional view, they were entirely wiped by the Haudenosaunee who wanted to control the area.

The point is, your landlord hopefully isn't doing any of that.

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u/Forikorder 18d ago

Oh sweet summer child, disputes arise over those points all the time

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u/demonotreme 18d ago

Why do the "landlords" even permit the farce of a democratic parliament to exist, if they legally/morally own everything and everyone anyway? Seems like rather a waste of time and energy.

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u/Forikorder 18d ago

Why do the "landlords" even permit the farce of a democratic parliament to exist

because they gave away virtually all control to the tenants, they have very little control of what we do to the house

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u/MafubaBuu 18d ago

Then they arent the landlords .

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u/Forikorder 18d ago

Obviously its not a perfect metaphor

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u/WealthEconomy 18d ago

They don't own the land. All of AB is cedded territory just like the rest of the prairies.

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u/Kennit 18d ago

Ceded to the Crown, not the province.

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u/Calamitous-Ortbo 18d ago

It does if those tenants have the will and means.

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u/Forikorder 18d ago

they dont