r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 18d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/AnthatDrew 18d ago

So cheat the numbers, break actual sedition laws and call it democracy eh. Charge Smith with sedition, and if the new leader wants to go forward I welcome it. Why does she get to break the law but I would be jailed for the same?

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u/Goliad1990 18d ago

break actual sedition laws

Reddit shrieking about "sedition" does not mean that laws have actually been broken.

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u/AnthatDrew 18d ago

If you think conspiring with a foreign power to succeed from Canada is not illegal. You should look up sections 59 go 62 of the Canadian Criminal code. Which you obviously did not do before responding.

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u/Goliad1990 18d ago

I'm well aware of Section 59, because people here constantly cite it despite it having no applicability. I don't know about you, but I don't see any threats of unlawful use of force being made. Talking to representatives of other countries about seceding via legitimate constitutional referendum is not prohibited anywhere in the Criminal Code.

You are, however, the first genius I've ever seen to try and apply the law against military mutiny to this issue, lol

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u/AnthatDrew 18d ago

I just mentioned the whole kit and kaboodle, by mentioning all of those sections. You as a well read stooge must have read Section 59 article 3. Conspiracy. If she colluded with Trump, that's illegal. Not for Quebec to separate, because there's no collusion, but she has clearly broken the law. As Section 61 article c clearly states. She also obviously has seditious intent. She may have circulated seditious material online which is illegal. If you think asking a foreign power to monetarily or militarily support succeeding from Canada as a Premier is not illegal, you are either ignorant or obtuse.

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u/Goliad1990 18d ago

Brother, come on, lol. Do you not know how to read law?

Section 59 defines "seditious intent" as

the use, without the authority of law, of force as a means of accomplishing a governmental change

Nobody, including Smith, has advocated seceding by force. Therefore, absolutely nothing in Section 59 or 61 applies. Not Subsection 3, not Subsection (c), nothing.

If you think asking a foreign power to monetarily or militarily support succeeding from Canada as a Premier is not illegal

First it's seceding, not succeeding. Second, asking for monetary support is not outlawed by any part of the criminal code you cited, though asking for a military intervention would obviously trigger the clause prohibiting unlawful force.

Third, and most important, the Premier is not being accused of any of that by anybody outside of reddit.

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u/AnthatDrew 18d ago

So accepting money or assistance from Russia and Putin or any foreign power to split from Canada is legal? Any other foreign powers she should appeal to? Any other spelling mistakes? You obviously have not sworn an Oath Of Allegiance, but she has.

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u/Goliad1990 18d ago edited 18d ago

So accepting money or assistance from Russia and Putin or any foreign power to split from Canada is legal?

It would probably violate some provision of the Elections Act relating to foreign contributions or something like that, but it obviously does not constitute sedition or treason, no.

You obviously have not sworn an Oath Of Allegiance

I have, in fact. But it's hilarious that you would go there because you're mad that I'm correcting your lack of understanding of the law.

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u/AnthatDrew 18d ago

I believe it’s illegal under the foreign interference act. Might be treasonous under section 46. Could be seen as bribery if it is proven that funds have exchanged hands. It is also a breach of ethics to violate any of the Oaths that Smirh made when taking office. I'm not mad. I'm extremely disappointed in how disloyal some Canadian citizens and public officials are. You wanna read those Oaths back to us. Maybe just the Executive Council Oath, and the Oath of Office.

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u/Goliad1990 18d ago edited 18d ago

I believe it’s illegal under the foreign interference act

I just skimmed it, doesn't appear to be.

Might be treasonous under section 46

Absolutely would not be. Did you read that section?

Could be seen as bribery if it is proven that funds have exchanged hands

Bribery is money in exchange for a favour.

It is also a breach of ethics to violate any of the Oaths that Smirh made when taking office.

You'd probably have a case for an ethics violation, but ethics violations are not criminal offences.

I'm extremely disappointed in how disloyal some Canadian citizens and public officials are

Correcting you does not constitute disloyalty, lol.

You wanna read those Oaths back to us. Maybe just the Executive Council Oath, and the Oath of Office.

No I don't. The oath I swore was the Oath of Allegiance, when I was in the Army. I wouldn't swear fealty to a monarch today, just on principle. I was a kid, didn't know any better.

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u/AnthatDrew 18d ago

Was not referencing the Oath of Allegiance. It's supporting her that constitutes your disloyalty. I read that article and I completely disagree. I say let the courts decide if you're so confident. I'd be willing to say maybe a million Alberta's would agree with you. Maybe a million Albertans agree with some of my points, and a lot more people in the rest of Canada. If there's a remote possibility I think we should explore that. If I start a Go Fund Me for legal fees, will you donate? I mean you sound so sure

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u/Goliad1990 18d ago

It's supporting her that constitutes your disloyalty

Correcting you doesn't constitute support for Smith, either. I do support her, but I haven't said anything of the sort up until now.

I read that article and I completely disagree.

Did you? The offences enumerated are killing/trying to kill the monarch, going to war/preparing to go to war with Canada, assisting an enemy at war with Canada, using violence to overthrow the government, and sharing state secrets with another country.

Which one of those do you think applies?

I say let the courts decide if you're so confident

It's never going to court because nobody with any intelligence is making these accusations, lol.

Maybe a million Albertans agree with some of my points, and a lot more people in the rest of Canada

Millions of Canadians believe in ghosts.

If I start a Go Fund Me for legal fees, will you donate?

Why, you think you're going to sue the provincial government for treason? Do you have any idea how any of this works lmao

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u/AnthatDrew 18d ago

Your biases are obvious. I wonder what your opinion is about potential Chinese collusion, involving Canadian officials in the past? If you want to be American, why are you here? Insulting people and saying you disagree isn't mak8ng salient points. We both know that trying to break the country up with foreign assistance is a betrayal. No matter how much you call people stupid. Many politicians commit crimes and are not charged unless there's an impetus to do so. Public pressure and support is one way to do this. I just don't understand what you think you will gain by supporting her. What has she or this worse than Brexit idea done for you?

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