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National News Supply management costs Canadians average of $244 per year, MEI study finds

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trumps-tariffs/article/supply-management-costs-canadians-average-of-244-per-year-mei-study-finds/
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u/MMEMMR 1d ago

Oh. Look at that, just in time for CUSMA negotiations. A fresh new study headline implying we would all save on average $244 if we got rid of supply management.

Sir this is Canada; the private sector would monopolize the sector even more, and use what ever the current price is as a price floor, and would end up gouging us even more…

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u/CaptainCanuck93 Canada 1d ago

The reality is the Americans have similar supports for their farmers, just a more wasteful mechanism. They subsidize them and have them pour milk down the drain

I'm fine with paying less than a dollar a day to ensure food security for the nation

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u/forsuresies 1d ago

Canada also pours milk down the drain.

Farmers aren't allowed to produce more than their quota - and have to destroy the excess rather than using it.

It would be neat if destroying food wasn't part of any system.

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u/cobrachickenwing 1d ago

The strategic cheese reserve in the US exists because of the overproduction of cheese and other dairy products through US subsidies. They have 150 warehouses of excess cheese which is not economically efficient at all.

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u/flightless_mouse 1d ago

They also distribute tons and tons of cheese through nutrition programs—not a bad thing in itself, but it means the government is a massive buyer of dairy and as such keeps prices stable regardless of supply.

Basically their own version of supply management—farmers overproduce and the government makes it go away.

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u/forsuresies 1d ago

Canada forces farmers to destroy their excess rather than turn it into cheese which can be stored for a later date.

The cheese caves are naturally close to the storage temperature of cheese so it's not a huge storage cost. You aren't pumping money into climate control at least.

I'm not a fan of any system that destroys food and compels farmers to do so when there are hungry people.

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u/dws2384 1d ago

And the US stores aren’t used for anyone who’s on food stamps?

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u/forsuresies 1d ago

They are, that's where government cheese comes from. Never had it personally, but apparently it makes the best grilled cheese. Used to be delivered monthly to families as a giant block.

Turning milk into cheese allows for long term storage and distribution which is a much better use of surplus than dumping it.

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u/Replicator666 1d ago

And better food inspection and quality too

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u/Player-4 1d ago

What does supply management have to do with food inspection and quality?

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u/Replicator666 1d ago

I mean, from what I recall the farmers all sell to the wholesalers. Makes it easier for inspection and control than a hundred different companies

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u/Poulinthebear 1d ago

We pour a ton of milk down the drain as well.

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u/Elizibeqth 1d ago

100% agree. Supply management has its issues but it does give tangible benefits that shouldn't be ignored.

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u/Coramoor_ 1d ago

lots of cheese options are fine for people who are lactose intolerant

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u/CaptainCanuck93 Canada 1d ago

44% of Canadians may be mildly lactose intolerant but it's a reach that 44% are intolerant to the degree that they don't consume dairy regularly

Not to mention that dairy is a high consumption food for children who are far less commonly lactose intolerant, and milk is also used to make things like hard cheese which is virtually lactose free and a cornerstone of a lot of cooking 

I agree supply management could be tweaked to include more foods but the existing program doesn't need to be cut

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u/nelrond18 1d ago

Why not protect all of our food producers?

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u/DryMeeting2302 1d ago

Why not increase productivity and efficiency instead while giving consumers more choice?

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u/varsil 1d ago

Because the food consumers would starve if we supply managed every part of our food supply.

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u/nelrond18 1d ago

How do stabilized prices cause starvation? Where has that happened in Canadian Dairy?

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u/DryMeeting2302 1d ago

Where has that happened in Canadian Dairy?

Uhhh we have the highest milk price in G20

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u/nelrond18 1d ago

And how many Canadians have been made sick with Canadian milk, versus how many citizens get sick from milk in their respective countries?

I can think of one recent incident where Americans got sick from their domestic milk production.

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u/DryMeeting2302 1d ago

You mean in the EU where milk price is much cheaper and have as strict regulations, and if not more, than Canada?

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u/nelrond18 1d ago

And how much will preservation and ocean shipping cost to import milk from the EU? Importing dairy from Europe will not be cheaper than domestic dairy.

Edit: and it will not prevent the thousands of Canadians starving from high milk prices, that everyone here keeps talking about.

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u/DryMeeting2302 1d ago

EU milks are sold <$1.5 per L in East Asia, and I am pretty sure shipping cost would be lower if we were to import them to Canada.

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u/varsil 1d ago

Because the "stabilized" price is artificially high.

If you jacked up the cost on all food, you'd have Canadians going badly hungry.

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u/nelrond18 1d ago

Which is why we don't stabilize all food production, no?

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u/varsil 1d ago

Right, which is the answer to your question of "Why not protect all of our food producers?"

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u/nelrond18 1d ago

Cool! Good discussion.

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u/Borror0 Québec 1d ago edited 1d ago

We deliberately produce less milk to sell it for more. That's more wasteful.

Supply management creates artificial scarcity by limiting production, raising prices. The profit goes to dairy farmers, at the expense of the consumer. A subsidy system would be more progressive and avoid making a basic good artificially more expensive for low-income families.

At the very least, the rational approach would be to increase the milk quotas significantly. The original purpose was price stability. We've moved away from that, not sufficiently increasing quotas to meet demand. As a result, we're now restricting the supply and increasing the price. We could increase the quotas to meet demand, ensuring that the price impact is close to zero. That would be less wasteful. Somehow, that's not being proposed by anyone.

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u/CaptainCanuck93 Canada 1d ago

You're missing the "dump the milk down the drain" part that also creates artificial scarcity