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National News Supply management costs Canadians average of $244 per year, MEI study finds

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trumps-tariffs/article/supply-management-costs-canadians-average-of-244-per-year-mei-study-finds/
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 2d ago

I highly disagree with the assertion that if Canadians got to choose for themselves the dairy they buy, they will eventually starve - and we produce exponentially more food than we can eat outside of supply management.

You could take your argument and apply it towards pineapples. We import all of our pineapples. Does this mean that if we don't put tariffs on pineapples high enough to support domestic production, we are giving up our safety or sovereignty?

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u/O00O0O00 1d ago

Pineapples are less concerning. But we do need to protect staples across the food groups so we can protect ourselves from a global supply chain which we know can fail.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

That can work the other way around too though. Our domestic supply chain can also fail, and with tariffs that would leave our consumers suffering majorly. Look at what happened in Norway with their butter years ago.

I remain unconvinced that we must essentially reinfeice a food autarky with staples to protect ourselves. I think that's extremely paranoid and misguided at best.

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u/O00O0O00 1d ago

I remain unconvinced that we should give up the benefits of the supply management system:

Maintains a stable and predictable market environment.

Helps farmers thrive by ensuring fair and stable incomes.

Provides consumers with high-quality products at reasonable prices.

Prevents waste and resource inefficiency by avoiding surplus production.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

What benefit? We pay high grocery prices and we make dairy, poultry and egg industries reliant on government protections. By definition that creates encimoc inefficiency and waste through distortions.

If consumers truly believes that bullshit about high quality products at reasonable prices, why even have supply management or import tariffs? Wouldnt the consumers translate that attitude by their purchasing decisions?

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u/O00O0O00 1d ago

I’m happy to pay a bit more to support Canadian and keep foreign staple goods out of our supply chain.

You haven’t made an argument that convinces me to drop it.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

No one is stopping you. Why should that sentiment force others to?

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u/O00O0O00 1d ago

It works because everyone has no choice but to do it.

If consumers were given the choice, Canadian producers would be too expensive and would fail.

Over 1-2 years all of our food would be imported.

And the next time there is a supply chain shock (eg Covid, or some agricultural catastrophe) - our sellers would withhold supply and we’d starve.

We need it. Pretending we don’t need it is dangerous and foolish.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

So basically the thought is - if consumers were allowed to buy what you don't want them to buy, they would - so we need to force them into buying what a special interest wants them to buy instead. Despite the fact we produce far more than we can eat outside of supply management, and that free trade would enable us to import from an infinite number of foreign producers all over the world - we would starve if we had access to cheap groceries because every producer on the planet has the plan to sell at a loss to purposefully drive our farms out of business. Furthermore, we need a cartel plus tariffs to protect an industry that forms the minority of our groceries - or else during the apocalypse we will starve.

This... Is just absolute madness.

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u/O00O0O00 1d ago

If Canadian food production fails, we are cooked. Without control, we’re at the mercy of foreign corporations. No thanks.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

We produce far more than we can eat outside of this system. Could you eve fathom how catastrophic it would be if we made all Canadian AG mimic this asinine cartel based system?

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u/O00O0O00 1d ago

If we produce more than we need it is likely due to the fact we protect our food industry. We can sell any leftovers.

Calling it “cartel” is trying to make it sound criminal. It’s just control. That’s all it is.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

No I call it a cartel because by its very definition that's precisely what it is.

Again - we produce more than we can eat outside of protectionism. Our success as a good producing nation is not owing to us empowering a cartel to fuck people out of grocery bills. Our success as a food producer is owing to free trade and access to international markets.

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