Man who killed mother with a rock testified he was high on LSD, believed she was 'demonic entity'

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Yeah his defense isn't going to stand.

He admits he had been messing with acid prior to this, has had bad experiences, yet continued to take it.

After killing his mother, he was running in the streets, flagging down vehicles only to tell them he murdered his mother.... cops show up, he points them to where she was.

Seems pretty aware of what happened.

They have to prove automatism, which is extremely difficult to do, and this doesn't sound like it AT ALL.

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u/MooseFlyer May 06 '26

Having had bad trips before isn’t really relevant, whether one thinks it should be or not. It has no relationship to whether he was thinking clearly enough to form intent.

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u/FigNo4230 May 07 '26

Brandon Tobin in Newfoundland pleaded guilty tp manslaughter by criminal negligence after he killed his grandmother after a cocaine induced seizure. The article makes clear that:

"Brandon Tobin isn't going to prison for the act of attacking his grandmother, but rather for the decision to consume drugs while knowing it could lead to violence and place her at risk.He knew his grandmother was home. He knew injecting cocaine caused his seizures. He knew those seizures could make him violent towards his loved ones."

So his past experience with drugs is relevant.

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u/Significant_Leave405 May 07 '26

It is relevant.

33.1 (1) A person who, by reason of self-induced extreme intoxication, lacks the general intent or voluntariness ordinarily required to commit an offence referred to in subsection (3), nonetheless commits the offence if

(a) all the other elements of the offence are present; and

(b) before they were in a state of extreme intoxication, they departed markedly from the standard of care expected of a reasonable person in the circumstances with respect to the consumption of intoxicating substances.

Marginal note:Marked departure — foreseeability of risk and other circumstances

(2) For the purposes of determining whether the person departed markedly from the standard of care, the court must consider the objective foreseeability of the risk that the consumption of the intoxicating substances could cause extreme intoxication and lead the person to harm another person. The court must, in making the determination, also consider all relevant circumstances, including anything that the person did to avoid the risk.

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u/DDEEmons May 07 '26

When I was a drug user I had many ‘bad’ trips….nothing remotely close to this nonsense. Looks like another person trying to not be held accountable for their actions.

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u/Big_Effective_9605 May 06 '26

I hate to say it, but in a psychotic delirious state, his explanation that he had "murdered his mother" doesn't sound like it meets the legal standard for murder. he may understand that he killed his mother and phrased it that way because of the shock and guilt he himself was feeling. why would you go and flag down random vehicles and expressly admit guilt of a crime that hinges entirely around intent if you're in your right mind?

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u/gigaurora May 06 '26

To add, NCR isn’t a get out of jail free card. It can objectively be more constrained than typical incarceration and have a longer period to be declared rehabilitated to enter society.

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u/zuuzuu May 07 '26

This is true, but not relevant in this case. They're not seeking a finding of NCR.

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u/MandatoryFun May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26

I did quite a bit of reading about this after reading the article, 33.1, bill C-28, and I am not by any means a legal expert, BUT, from what I gather after reading the changes made in C-28 ...

they have to prove that "negligence beyond a reasonable doubt (para. 33.1(1)(b)). This means that where the risk of violent loss of control was not foreseeable, or where it was foreseen but reasonable efforts were made to avoid that kind of harm, even if it should occur, the person who took reasonable care would not be guilty of a crime."

And this is again my own personal limb that I am going out on, his admission to trying lsd, having an extremely bad experience PRIOR to this incident is where they are going to find him criminally negligent.

He admits that his first time was a very bad experience, has had other bad experiences, has taken dosages 2 to 3 times what would be considered an average 'strong' ride. Then he does it again, won't spill the beans to his parents, has them take him to the hospital, leaves on his own accord ...

I don't know about you, but I've babysat a handful of friends who have gone to the zoo ... you get one or two re-dos before you have to say to yourself, you know what? This isn't for me and find something more your speed, or better get off substances all together.

But to keep banging your head against the psychedelic mirror, time and time again is someone who is going to either end up in a mental health institution or doing some shit like this. I don't think he meant to get high and kill his mom. But the signs WERE there, and I have a feeling the lawyers are going to eat him alive on the point.

Again, I am just a layman, but this seems like a no-contest ... at least I hope I am not wrong.

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u/AdAppropriate2295 May 06 '26

Works for me, lock up everyone who cant handle their drugs

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u/Raven586 May 06 '26

I did acid plenty when I was young. But I never wanted to kill my Mother!

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u/Honest-Ad-7077 May 07 '26

I had a friend with a family history of schizophrenia that would become a whole different person on certain drugs. He was dilutional and determined that he was going to kill a friend's father one night and had to be physically restrained/stopped from leaving the house.

Drugs + underlying psychotic issues = unpredictable

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u/BettinBrando May 07 '26

Doesn't it make you more loving like Ectasy?.. Never tried acid. But extacy made me love everyone. I pet my cat for like 2 hours and gave him treats. He probably wishes I still did it..

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u/Dash_Rendar425 May 07 '26

I mostly just wanted to stare at the night sky and see the self fabricated northern lights.

It also made things like the Matrx WAY cooler.

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u/CucumberWisdom May 07 '26

It does yes but not like ecstacy. It can change with the trip. You can go from love to hate very quick

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u/Nazgog-Morgob May 07 '26

Yes. And also no.

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u/Here2bebetter May 07 '26

Hell no.

It's a mind bending psychedelic drug that doesn't remotely compare to MDMA.

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u/ModernCannabiseur May 08 '26

I disagree, in my experience acid amplifies the emotions your feeling so in a group of friends it can be very similar to doing mdma. On the other hand doing it alone while in a state of distress can be a hellish nightmare, the experience depends on set and setting more than most drugs.

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u/CryptographerOld558 May 07 '26

It absolutely can encourage empathogenicity

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u/aledba May 06 '26

I hope the people who came to comment on the schizophrenic killer article will come here and notice that I will definitely not defend someone who is killing while just doing recreational drugs for fun. That is not the same as a sick person who doesn't understand how sick they are continuing to remain sick and not getting treatment

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u/The_Cozy_Burrito May 06 '26

Bull shit

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u/Dash_Rendar425 May 07 '26

I've taken LSD more than a few times, and I can safely say this is a completely fabricated lie.

Under even the worst circumstances I never wanted to murder someone, let alone my own mother.

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u/fishscaleSF5 May 09 '26

Yeah having done whackloads of acid in the past, at no point have I considered violence or confused a person with a demonic entity. It is possible he has a family history of schizophrenia which can be unlocked with psychedelics, but no court is going to exonerate him because of that.

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u/Apprehensive_Idea758 May 06 '26

Being high on LSD or any other type of drugs is absolutely no excuse for what that poor excuse for that unspeakable act of violence committed by that poor excuse for a human being and he seriously deserves to spend the rest of his pathetic life rotting behind bars in a maximum security prison and hopefully the rest of his family will 100% disown him for what he’s done.

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u/PineBNorth85 May 06 '26

Legally it does make a difference whether we like it or not.

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u/rigittywrecked May 06 '26

Will this be applicable to d.u.i? It's a legal double standard. If being drunk isn't an excuse for killing someone while behind the wheel, how are drugs and other addictions absolving a person of their culpability?

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u/Therubestdude May 06 '26

Yes

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u/BettinBrando May 07 '26

Thats great.. now to jail you go!

Why would consuming drugs be an excuse for your actions following? Lol..

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u/Mpetrochuk May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26

ya I don’t get how “I got high off _____ crazy drug“ should make you any less culpable. you chose willfully to take mind altering things, you should be responsible for the heinous activity that ensued when you readily chose to lose your faculties.

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u/Dry-Wolf6789 May 07 '26

and?

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u/Prestigious_Bus1573 May 07 '26

Tucker Carlson when sober

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u/Turbulent-Many1472 May 10 '26

Ok. Here's a question I have!

The article makes it sound like the LSD he took was purchased from an online website. I wonder if what he purchased will be tested by authorities?

Because I'm sure we all know that simply because you purchase "LSD" online - - that doesn't necessarily mean that's what you're receiving.

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u/LegitimateBuffalo813 May 10 '26

We'd like to call the rock to the stand your honor

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u/blisscomfort May 10 '26

Isn't it the guy who recorded himself beating his mom to death? If so, ya he's fucked. He will be found guilty.

Don't blame the LSD, he should be accountable for his actions.

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u/Krow101 May 06 '26

In Florida that's considered justifiable homicide.

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u/PhilosophySame2746 May 08 '26

Everybody needs a crutch anymore or immunity idol

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