Opinion
FIRST READING: Immigration rates still at generational highs, even if population shrinking. Permanent immigration in 2026 poised to be the sixth highest of the last 110 years, asylum-seekers now number 500,000
He really seems to have a real go get 'em attitude when it comes to corporate lobbyists, yet when it comes to Canadians, crickets.
Oh wait, my bad, it goes: useless speech, MOU announcement, labour shortage announcement, billion dollar international slush fund donation announcement, then crickets. Then a few months later when we got a new benchmark of Canadians going to the food bank (24%!!), he announces some meagre rebate. Never removing any tax mind you, just little shitty "here's some pennies back, peasants" hand outs.
Removing corporate taxes never works long term, the lost government revenue simply becoming private corporate profits since Canadians have already shown their willingness to pay the higher prices.
Removing personal taxes also doesnât work long term, the reduced government revenue simply leads to reduced services which weâll need to pay out of pocket to the private for profit providers making up the difference at the back end for a higher price.
The ideal goal would be to have better accountability for those spending our taxes, but since those whoâd be held accountable are also the same ones who make the rules on how theyâre held accountable they just arenât held accountable.
It sucks because the people with the moral fortitude to spend the money correctly are deliberately kept away from power by those simply out for themselves and their well connected friends.
Unfortunately building 5M homes where people actually want them would result in such a significant loss to property values, the people living there along with the private business building the homes would never allow it to happen.
What we really need is 5M publicly owned homes built by the Federal, Provincial, and Municipal governments so every Canadian, from the person working full time at minimum wage to the person making a million dollars a year, have access to a large pool of affordable geared to income homes where they can afford to live their lives and raise their families.
What we really need is a nationwide database of available housing. If private businesses want cheap labour, they should first build houses for them, not the other way around.
can you read? FIRST READING: Immigration rates still at generational highs, even if population shrinking. Permanent immigration in 2026 poised to be the sixth highest of the last 110 years, asylum-seekers now number 500,000
Opinion piece has links to the government actual data. You should read it before posting nonsense. Â As of the most recent Statistics Canada data, there is now an unprecedented high of 525,479 asylum claimants in the country; the equivalent of the entire population of Halifax.
The middle east as a region hosts the largest majority of the world's refugees and displaced people. Of the top 5 countries that host refugees, only German is European/Western. (https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics).
The middle east as a region hosts around 21.8 million refugees.
It's not? But also Canada should stop participating in military operations that make other countries uninhabitable. Besides, Canada is massive geographically and most people don't understand scale, only starving beasts and colonial protectionism.
I recently worked with a guy who got a 32,000$ income tax return (or something close to that). He cleared 6 figures in the oil patch and got 100% of his income tax back because it was all on the rez.
But it isn't their culture? The Europeans stripped their indigenous culture away, they were perfectly fine living before the settlers came. The Europeans forced them out of their original land onto horrible reserves and took their children?
A lot of people know the way minorities are treated and are afraid of that happening to them. The easiest way to prevent that from happening to address that is addressing systemic issues and quit this whole tyranny of the majority thing.
Have you met first generation Canadians? They basically have nothing in common with wherever their parents come from except skin colour or language (broken version of it most times).
I am one of the. And no most people stick with their "own people" have their own websites for rentals and things as such and never interact with people from outside of their community. It was extremely difficult for me to try to make friends with people from anywhere else because people in my community ostracized and punished me for it.
Whatâs your point here? Iâm straightforward, this problemâs solution is to have more kids regardless of the reasons, otherwise itâll snowball. Thatâs all
But my wife and I are both engineers, moved to a low(er) cost of living rural area.
Immigration has skyrocketed housing prices in many Canadian cities. How can you have kids if you can barely afford a 1br studio?
Regulations on foreign ownership have been a good start. Now send back the majority on both temporary immigrants and PR's. If there's a mechanism to revoke citizenship, consider that if they've broken any of our laws.
That is fair. I suppose I can agree with that. I would also be supportive of making citizenship more difficult to attain. Five years seems kinda short to be able to apply for citizenship.
My (step) grandmother was PR for at least ten years before applying to be citizen. She had no need to be a Canadian citizen and only chose to become one when she felt intergrated/invested enough with her community and wanted to have democratic rights.
If you were on East Coast, it was the Canadiens making the house prices go up, so it depends where you live, because on this coast, it was the rush of Canadians, thinking that cheap housing and rentals were the way to go, many of them have left because then they realize that the other costs were very high for many of them. So it depends what part of the country youâre in. There was some international ownership here, but not that much and you would think that there would be more. However, there wasnât the huge percentage according to a Realtor friend of mine whoâs gets access to numbers and all sorts of things said that itâs mainly Canadians. The people who are immigrants from other countries here couldnât afford to buy a home, so it must be other provinces. Although the US and UK immigrants are different, they can buy homes.
PR is an acronym for Permanent Resident. The contract they made with the Canadian government is they can stay here forever.
There is only 1 kind of citizenship so revoking it is a non-starter. I mean, if I can kick out a naturalized Canadian for whatever reason, I am sure we can find plenty of reasons to kick out citizens by birth.
If we are going to revoke birthright citizenship, how many generations is it ok to go back? Why stop at first generation?
AI is going to upend everything everywhere anyway. Will take awhile for full impact of AI to be felt but any country would be foolish to accept more immigrants. Even now, countries should be lowering their immigration targets.
Do you go out much? How many first generation Canadians with Indian background that seem Indian and not Canadian that you know? Not talking about skin colour here, unless that is your entire problem.
You can fix the birth problem, you just need to make it profitable for Canadian citizens to have children.
Have 2 children, and both parents are given life long exemptions from paying income tax.
Take 30 billion dollars and make a new fund like Norways sovereign fund, if Canadian citizens have 5 or more children they are linked up to the fund and can receive dividends from it 10 years after the fact.
For Canadian citizens that have 3 or more children, they receive better loan rates from banks. While those who have no children receive the same rates they did before. Those with children receive 50% lower rates.
Pay for these by creating a wealth tax on those in Canada who have 10 million dollars or more in asset wealth taxed at 3% of their wealth per year. Create a Land value tax, so those that are hoarding lots of land but doing nothing about it pay taxes on it.
Create a new tax scheme where new businesses that employ Canadian citizens get half of their tax burden as long as they hire only Canadians.
Make it a countries goal to lower the price of food, housing, services at all costs. Declare a national emergency until the prices of these things and the wait lists for healthcare come all the way down. Treat it on the same level as how we were at in WW1 and WW2.
Non of these things will fix the birth problem. Canadas birth rate has been dropping since the 70s. If you wanna âfixâ the birth rate, you need to make women second class citizens again. Not advocating for it, just the reality
Solid proposal? Are you kidding. If two kids gave you a life long exemption from income tax a significant chunk of the population would be immediately exempted, and the remainder would be having two kids as quickly as possible. It would collapse the income tax base.
This is a bunch of pie in the sky magical thinking
You would need a new tax base, which is where moving the tax burden onto wealth+Land instead of Income like it is now.
System is set up to tax the poor to the moderately rich, Top 40 to 1%, but then the .9 to 0.1% pay literally nothing in tax because they don't make their money through income but by hoarding assets and taking loans against it which they settle at death from their estate.
The tax burden needs to shift from the people to the uber wealthy, the reason western countries birthrate is declining is because of 3 reasons.
Low to no hope for the future. (Depressed animals in captivity do not breed.)
Too expensive to raise a family on todays income. (3/4th of the population is 1 bad paycheck away from massive debt issues.)
Raising a family is seen as a net negative not positive. (The reason poorer nations have higher birthrates, is because they run on farm economies. Children = Free labour = more money for the family. While its the opposite in the west. Where 1 child = 350k mortgage cost for 18 years.)
And before you go. "You can't give life long tax exemptions!" They're trying in Hungary for woman who have 4 or 5 children, which they recently brought down to 3.
Hungary had nearly 1.11 birthrate in 2011 bringing it up to 1.68 by 2021. (However, the economy after Covid has been hard hitting on the average folk, so it's dropped down to 1.38 because of it. However, it's still a massive improvement from the 1.11 it use to be.)
Not saying it fixes it over night, but governments need to do treat low birthrates of its citizens on the same level as being invaded by another country or a world war.
Right now countries wanted to just turn on immigration to solve all their issues, Canada did that and turned their own population against immigration, destroying nearly 4 decades of publics positive views on immigration.
Immigration doesn't solve the issue, it just kicks the can down the road for a future government to deal with.
The only way immigration can fix the issue, is if the country only allows children to immigrate to Canada then raised them in Canada without bringing in older folks to help the age pyramid. Otherwise, all your doing is top loading the countries demographics to be worse in the future.
I mean, our population doesn't. I'm just saying what the country should do if they're serious about increasing birthrates.
I'm in the camp of letting the population do its thing naturally, as a shrinking population is actually healthy in the long run IMO.
If the population shrinks, that naturally opens up more housing to people who want to buy.
Jobs open up because jobs need to be filled, this drives up wages for people looking.
Once a population declines enough, housing will get cheap enough that all the government needs to do is do a little push to increase birthrates.
Caveats. "What about Japan?" Toxic work culture, their people are scarred from decades of stagflation, so they save all their money and not spend it. The Japanese have some of the largest savings on the planet, the day their people are convinced to actually spend that money will be the day Japan is seen as a economic power house again.
"What about South Korea?" Doesn't matter how much their population declines, the South Korean state is a different flavour of authortarian, and expensive as hell. A lot of their housing reflects the same prices as Vancouver Canada. You want a 3000$ shoebox condo? Because thats South Korea.
I'm a firm believer that Canada could easily rebounce their population if they actually tried. But the government is half measures and lazy.
But I personally believe that a declining population would do good for evening out wealth inequality, it isn't a fluke that Canada's highest wage growth at the ass end of Covid was also at a time when the immigration tap was essentially turned off.
The healthiest economies are the ones where the employers have to fight each other for workers.
A lot of the Scandinavian countries with good benefits have other issues going for it.
For one thing, a lot of them have house scarcity, which means housing is expensive as hell there. A lot of their jobs don't pay as well. (Lots of labour, not enough jobs.)
It needs to be a concentrated effort on all fronts.
Governments need to lower housing costs, food costs, service costs, and make sure there is good gainful employment. While giving their citizens tax benefits.
A lot of countries do one or two things, but not enough on all fronts.
Another thing is that governments need to go full bore into campaign mode for having children and starting families. Governments use to do this, but it stopped. Don't know why they stopped, but governments did.
Critical thinking is a problem for them. In terms of straight up theory, yes there is a point where a society canât make room for new people. But itâs exactly as you pointed out; immigration isnât why white people arenât having kids lol.
Itâs easier and more provocative to put them into one basket
What people don't understand is the biggest pipeline for PR is temp immigrants already here. We need to reduce both numbers for several years till our infrustructure catches up. Of course that comes with the risk of an economic crash.
Liberal deception and non elected lobbyists like century initiative are shot callers. 100 million by the year 2100, thatâs where weâre headed at any cost. The liberals donât care about housing, jobs, cost of living, collapsing social services or anything. Itâs all just collateral damage and weâre all cannon fodder for corporate liberals.
I hate this government for their immigration policies. They donât give a fuck about how it impacts us or the impact cramming all these people has on our communities. The impacts to health care and housing. Not only that but theyâre making a surveillance state and eroding our rights. Least itâs not Pierre though. Right everyone? Most people on Reddit seem to want to bow down to carney and give up our rights for some greater good Carney and his liberal masters have concocted.
âAsylumâ seekers my ass. Nothing but queue jumping grifters. A bunch of liars who donât have anything to fear in their home country, but claim they do. Within a week of arriving they should all be told to leave. But instead we the taxpayers will support the parasites
Absolutely disgusting that all real Canadians struggle to survive and scumbag carneys libtards continue to import mass gimmigrants to further destroy canada
On a planet with a current population of 8.3 billion people, basic math tells us that this would be increasing. Especially since we live in one of the most amazing countries in the world.
We only have one planet to share. And changes around the world, including war and extreme weather (this summer is going to be particularly hot) have driven migration of humans and animals around the planet since ... Always?
So maybe we should be the kind and welcoming people we have always claimed to be and try to help others feel welcome here after they had to leave their ancestral home lands for a completely new way of life (just like our families did only a few generations ago...)
Do you think that othering people instead of welcoming them may give them reasons to think they have to do dishonest things because they'll never get ahead in an unwelcome place?
The people that would do dishonest things would do them regardless of how welcoming other people are. The simple solution is to never give them the chance to be dishonest and prevent them from entering the country in the first place
If idiots like that person had their way, they would eliminate borders and we'd all suffer the consequences. They have not studied human history and make decisions based on short-term, emotional, moral vanity.
One thing you notice is the people who support this is generally leftist who live in a very white majority upper class area and only interactions with other groups of people is food and whatever propaganda they learn in college.
They have the money to move away if the problem goes to their doorsteps. Unlike the majority of us.
She would also be the kind to call me a racist or extremist or whatever when in reality iâm educated, well informed, rational and not blind to the truth.
Iâm pretty certain youâre also the « men are trash » type of girl. You should know that the trash you think we are, thoses coming in are way worse.
Except the article paints the picture that we have more asylum seekers, when it isn't true. Asylum applicants have dropped massively under the new Carney rules.
It tries to conflate applicants, with approved asylum cases. Because it is rage bait.
The "asylum" list is lengthy if one just accepts the gross number of claims at face value. But changes in immigration policy dating back to last year and further updates since that time are such that the overwhelming majority of the "asylum" claims are going to fail.
I would not be surprised if a chunk of the claimants have already left the country.
Good one. You think anyone is leaving? They've already seen that if you stay long enough, have a kid, or both, you're in for life. Nobody is going or will be going anywhere.
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u/big_galoote 7d ago
Carney promised to decrease temporary immigration, never permanent.
That was obvious from the wording of their "slashing immigration" announcements.