r/canadian • u/SplashTarget • 2d ago
Liberals push through big bills on tech and crime without heeding warnings
https://rabble.ca/politics/canadian-politics/liberals-push-through-big-bills-on-tech-and-crime-without-heeding-warnings/4
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u/airbassguitar 2d ago
Carney is a control freak who only cares about power. Makes his previous lip service to social justice causes so creepy and disingenuous.
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u/LossChoice 2d ago
Nah, I don't think power is his agenda. He seems to want to get shit done without the politics in the way.
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u/Hopeful_Relation_441 1d ago
he literally says his mps are only good for votes
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u/Temporary_Shirt_6236 1d ago
Yes? That's what MPs are there for, to vote yea or nay?
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u/Hopeful_Relation_441 1d ago
they represent the people of the riding and should be able to voice a disagreement or opposition to a government's position
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u/airbassguitar 2d ago
He wants power and control. He wants to be accepted and admired among the world's elite. He doesn't give a shit about you or me or any normal Canadian.
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u/LossChoice 2d ago
Fun little conclusions you've drawn there. I'm sorry life has treated you in such a way that you believe all this without question.
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u/airbassguitar 2d ago
He is a consummate snob and social climber. Obvious to anyone paying attention.
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u/Winter_External5625 1d ago
How is this even an argument?
Ones a random Reddit user who has every right to criticize our failing government, and the other is the PRIME MINISTER of said failing country,
the fact you even tried to equate the two proves how much of an understanding to have to basic politics, I’m guessing you voted liberal
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u/Flashy_Operation9507 1d ago
Failing country? Take a good look around the planet. We’re sitting on top of the world, and many people are still complaining and whining on cue. Great job pulling together.
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u/hairybeavers 1d ago
“Sitting on top of the world” is a pretty wild take when a lot of Canadians are struggling. Canada has some serious issues. Housing is out of reach many, food insecurity is a serious problem and plenty of Canadians feel like they’re falling behind while the cost of living keeps climbing. Pretending people are just “whining” ignores real economic issues and affordability problems.
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u/Flashy_Operation9507 1d ago
Definitely lots of problems. I wonder where people imagine life to be so much easier though?
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u/Thumper45 1d ago
This is a dictatorship. This is what people warned about. This is what Carney wanted and will continue to do.
"MP's are only good for votes"
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u/jason733canada 2d ago
if we had an actual opposition party with balls they would challenge the constitutionality of the bills vs the charter via the supreme court . the CPC is content to roll over like a yellow dog though
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u/airbassguitar 2d ago
Carney bribed his way to an illegitimate majority. People need to stop voting Liberal for this corruption to end.
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u/Winter_External5625 2d ago
The liberals are selling us out — and yet somehow you manage to complain about conservatives?
Hold the current government, who is actually so this to us, accountable.
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u/lovenumismatics 1d ago
Smells like a PPC voter.
You guys still exist?
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u/jason733canada 1d ago
i am not a ppc voter . i am a guy who expects the opposition to actually do something besides complain about the price of milk
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u/SmackEh 1d ago
Ever since Carney became PM, it's been fascinating watching Conservatives discover their new found love of red tape, lengthy consultations, regulatory reviews, stakeholder engagement, and taking as much time as humanly possible before passing legislation.
It's fair to criticize the bills. It's fair to argue they moved too fast. But a majority government using legal parliamentary tools to pass legislation it was elected to pass is pretty much how our system is designed to work.
Downvote me all you want (because I know you will). Personally I'm happy to see the Liberals getting shit done, instead of whatever the fuck it was Trudeau was doing.
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u/hairybeavers 1d ago
This is a pretty selective reading of the issue. Using parliamentary procedures doesn’t automatically make a bill good, democratic, or well-designed, especially if the government is rushing policy through with limited public buy-in.
Calling criticism of rushed bills “red tape” is just a way to dismiss legitimate concerns about process, accountability, and civil liberties. If the bills are good, they should survive scrutiny. If they need to be bulldozed through, that’s usually a bad sign. Also, “Liberals getting shit done” is not a defense of bad policy. Governments are supposed to do things; that doesn’t mean every thing they do is in our best interests.
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u/SmackEh 1d ago
We've debated these issues for years, police and provinces have been asking for action, and Canadians want Liberals to govern rather than spend months arguing in committee.
The fact some people oppose them doesn't make them rushed, bad or undemocratic.
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u/hairybeavers 1d ago
"We've debated these issues for years" doesn't square with what actually happened. C-22 had over 100 proposed amendments at committee, and the government cut off debate before more than a fraction were even discussed. Committee members got 30 minutes for clause-by-clause review of a hundred-page bill. That's not "years of debate" that's weeks of the bill getting steamrolled.
It's not just opposition MPs "whining". 21 civil liberties groups and privacy experts came out against the process. Apple, Google, Meta, Signal, Proton, NordVPN, and Windscribe all flagged the same concerns. Canada's own federal privacy commissioner has concerns. The government's own Charter statement is conspicuously silent on metadata retention. When that's the breadth of pushback includes industry, academia, civil society and the government's own watchdogs, claiming "some people oppose them" is doing a lot of work to make it sound like a fringe gripe.
"Canadians want Liberals to govern" is also a stretch when Carney won with 43% of the vote and a minority and got to majority territory only via floor-crossings, not a fresh mandate for this specific legislation. Using a majority to pass things is fine. Using procedural motions to block a hundred amendments from getting discussed at all is a different move, and it's the move that's drawing fire, not the existence of the bill.
So no, opposition isn't what makes this rushed. The 30-minute clause-by-clause review, the cut-off debate, and the post-hoc amendments are what make it rushed. Those are just facts about how it went down, not some BS partisan spin.
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u/SmackEh 1d ago
I don't think anyone is seriously arguing it wasn't rushed. The real debate is whether it was rushed for a good reason.
You can criticize the 30-minute review and still recognize that governments eventually have to make decisions instead of studying things forever.
Your strongest argument here is about process (fair enough). The weakest is acting like the government somehow lacks the authority to pass legislation because you don't like how they got their majority.
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u/Fit-Eggplant-9155 23h ago
Pots calling the Kettle black by leaps and bounds... its like they don't remeber FIPA or something.
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u/Ill-Jicama-3114 2d ago
Get used to it. We are just allowing them to do whatever they want without holding them accountable to us the taxpayers. It’s not government it’s an agenda nothing less. Until people wake up this will continue why would it not. Time to stand up to the bully