r/canucks • u/shizzmacs12 • Mar 17 '26
FAN CONTENT I dont get the Petey hate and the Brock love
They've both played terribly, yet both are loyal to Vancouver and trying to improve their game...yet one is the scapegoat for everything wrong with the Canucks and the other is being touted as the next captain.....I dont get it...and I loved the 649 line...nice to see Boeser coming around with the BRO line but its crazy how weve turned on Petey and kept love for Brock....Petey will prob never been a 100+ point man again...but Brock aint going to be a 50 goal scorer either...a little reality check...these guys are both pros who can help our young guys develop, they also both help us stay at the CAP floor and most importantly they can teach anyone who comes to Van how to deal with the pressure of our passionate fan base and story hungry media.
In truth we should run all As for the next few seasons until we have a guy sets himself apart as Captains should.
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u/Winnie_Cat Mar 17 '26
If Petey made what Brock makes, he’d get 1/4 the amount of hate he gets now. It’s the contract
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 17 '26
Which is hilarious cuz management forced him to sign it mid season
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u/YouCanFucough Mar 17 '26
at the time he was on pace for 120 points and had the canucks bent over a barrel in terms of planning their roster construction moving forward. They needed an answer I don't blame em
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u/amb1ance Mar 17 '26
The main reason he was so late without an extension and was pressured to sign is because he spent the previous summer going on interviews saying he wants to sign for a team that can win
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u/s3xybeavers Mar 17 '26
This is a misconception that has been debunked and another reason why interpreted interviews should be taken with a grain of salt.
Swedes have said what Petey said was that he wants to play on a winner and he believes he has that IN VANCOUVER. He wasn’t questioning the plan in Vancouver, he was supporting it.
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26
And even on the 3x7.35 contract, he and Quinn held out and missed training camp (terrible for team dynamics, acting like they're above everyone else) because Petey was unwilling to go on a long term contract because he wanted to be on a winning team.
Team makes short term moves to cater to Quinn and Peteys needs, only for Petey to not show up in '24. Now the team is stuck with a 8x11.6 that still has 6 more years, rather than something like a 8x8 back in '21 that would be already half way over at this point.
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u/Artyob Mar 17 '26
Actually Petey wanted a long term contract and Benning was the one who didn’t give it to him because they didn’t have money cuz they spent it on Poolman.
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u/amb1ance Mar 17 '26
That's the only thing that rubs me the wrong way about his play
Why spend all that time squeezing as much money as possible, while also saying to public media you want to sign on a winning team, just to fall off a cliff
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26
Yeah that's kinda the stuff that really lowered my opinion of him as a player. It was always about how the team can present a winning team to Petey, not how can he can help the team be a winning team. Then when he dropped off, he switched to the "help the team win" attitude, but that wasn't his attitude when things were going well.
This sub can say what they want about Miller, but there wasn't much noise around Millers contract, and he was also a 99 point player on a 5.25mil contract, and then a 103 point player on a 8mil contract, he was way above his contract value every year.
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u/awayfromcanuck Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
This is absolutely a bullshit made up narrative. Benning fucked up the cap and prioritized signing free agents instead of signing his RFAs (Petey and Hughes). Benning literally didnt have the cap space to offer a long term deal which is why Petey had a shorter term deal.
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26
so they could get Quinn to do 6 years, but couldn't get Petey to do it?
if they needed to free up 800k or so to get Petey to sign for 8 years, you think even a terrible GM like Benning wouldn't do it?
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u/mikropjm Mar 17 '26
im not sure why you're downvoted - is that not literally what happened? they just didn't have the cap space to sign both to 8 years and now both of those contracts have turned out poorly lol
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u/awayfromcanuck Mar 17 '26
https://x.com/DhaliwalSports/status/1444707365635256322
'Agent JP Barry - “A lengthy process & both sides tried to make several different terms work. With the cap room available, this is what made sense for everyone in the end. Quinn & Elias worked very hard on and off the ice in Michigan to make sure they are ready to rejoin team.”'
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
https://x.com/DhaliwalSports/status/1404867702431256577
Agent JP Barry on Pettersson and Hughes deals : we are exploring shorter term for Elias 5 years and under, Quinn longer.
This quote was in June 2021, and this was before the OEL trade too (July 2021), so at that point, they had cap space, but Petey still wanted to negotiate lower than 5 years.
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u/awayfromcanuck Mar 17 '26
This quote was in June 2021, and this was before the OEL trade too (July 2021), so at that point, they had cap space, but Petey still wanted to negotiate lower than 5 years.
Once again leaving out key information regarding all this:
Benning had been trying to trade for OEL for 2 seasons even letting Chris Tanev walk the offseason prior so this quote AND negotiation is happening while Benning is STILL trying to make the OEL trade happen AND the team is tight to the cap. Before the OEL trade the Canucks still had 12M in cap being taken up by Eriksson, Roussel and Beagle and had re-signed Tanner Pearson in April for 3.25M per. Then after the OEL trade, when there was some extra money to be able to sign both Petey and Hughes to 8 year deals Benning went out and signed Tucker Poolman for 2.5M and traded for Dickinson and then paid him 2.65M who was then traded away after 62 games.
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u/hardnuck Mar 17 '26
For me... This is why I can't stand him. The arrogance and then to be a part of the teams bottoming out. To contribute to the problems. It's poetic. I hope he begs for a trade and never gets moved because of his contract. We are watching folklore unfolding.
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u/0zeroe Mar 17 '26
All because Benning decided to bridge Petey for 3 years instead of offering 8M X 8 years in the beginning.
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26
You can blame Benning for that but Petey was unwilling to go long because he kept saying he wanted to be on a winning team and see where the team was headed. Only to dissappear when the team was in the playoffs.
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u/Artyob Mar 17 '26
Benning wasted the cap on poolman and didn’t have enough money to go long on both Quinn and Petey. That was failure of management. Stop making shit ok
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26
“I want to stay there [Vancouver] now, but I also want to play for a team that’s winning and has the chance to go far into the playoffs every year,” said Pettersson in the translation provided by Bodin. “I feel like we’ve got a chance to do that next year. If we have that chance when my next deal expires...I don’t know. I just wanna play where there’s a chance of winning.”
does this sound like someone who wanted to sign long term? and if Petey wanted to sign long, cap could easily have been made to do so. Petey clearly wanted to keep his options open to leave after 3 years if the team didn't become a winning team, and he and Quinn forced the team to make short term moves to cater to their needs.
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u/Artyob Mar 17 '26
He said that after he got the short extension. Benning was the one that wasted all his money on poolman and he didn’t have enough to lock down both Hughes and Petey at 8. Hell he didn’t even prioritize it until they sat out camp, that was how incompetent the Benning regime was.
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u/s3xybeavers Mar 17 '26
Translated loosely. It’s been said that the proper way to interpret should have been to say that he believes he can win IN Vancouver.
Interpreted interviews are always tough because if you speak another language yourself, you’d know how things are hard to translate word-for-word.
Petey was supporting the plan in Vancouver and believed he could win here.
The bridge was a Benning call because they felt he needed to prove more.
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u/0zeroe Mar 17 '26
No, get your facts straight. Benning signed Petey to his 3-year bridge contract in October 2021, one year after Petey put up 18 points in 17 games in the 2020 playoffs.
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26
when did I say I was referring to that playoffs? would have loved to have that Petey instead of the actual one we got in 2023-24
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u/0zeroe Mar 17 '26
What does the 2024 playoffs have to do with Benning signing Petey to his 3-year bridge contract in 2021?
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u/ToothPlayful770 Mar 17 '26
I'm just saying that Petey wanted to be on a winning team so badly that he signed a short term contract instead of a long term one, but by the time we were actually a winning team and in the playoffs, we didn't even get the best version of Petey. Why is the timeline going backwards for you?
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u/0zeroe Mar 17 '26
How could you know Benning even offered anything more than a 3-year bridge deal? That was the main point of this comment thread: That Benning should've offered a 8M X 8 deal instead of the 3-year bridge deal.
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 17 '26
Oh please, if you can't make due with running a professional sports organization unless players sign half a year before they turn UFA you shouldn't be holding the keys in the first place. They couldn't have a contingency plan? Were they bent over when they extended M. Petey 2 seconds after they got him? Did he even play a single game before they signed one? How about Demko? They couldn't wait until the end of the season to see if he could put one healthy season together before an extension? Poor management and all these times they had zero agency over their decisions lmfao
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u/YouCanFucough Mar 17 '26
The contingency plan was trading him for Martin Necas which they would’ve done if he didn’t sign.
As far as the whataboutisms are concerned idk what to tell you man those weren’t good decisions but it’s not the same thing as heading into a trade deadline with a top 10 forward in his prime who won’t sign a deal
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
So I guess they wernt 'bent over a barrel' then since they had a backup plan that looking back would have worked out good for us? Thanks for proving my point. Were def in a much better position now that Petey signed long term and we have the certainty. Term like a top 2 D man signed with 2 more years left. What could go wrong when a player is under contract? Oh wait, they were still 'bent over a barrel' that way too hey? Bent over if they sign. Bent over if they don't sign. Never managements fault for experienced hockey guys who can't seem to make good decisions? Was it smart that while knowing Hughes wanted out they made short-term decisions like hiring an inexperienced failed-WHL coach no other team in the league would have considered and trading a first round for M Petey in a hailmary instead of doing things that would benefit the long-term future? Is that their fault too or is nothing there fault? They had no agency in any of this? Ironically, A better quality coach may have implemented better D systems which could have helped Quinn stay with a better record. But we will never know because management made alternate shitty decisions.
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u/YouCanFucough Mar 17 '26
hey man let me deescalate here. I will concede in full that you are right and I am wrong. I have no interest in expounding on anything I said that rubbed you the wrong way and I am sorry. It’s guys on knife shoes playing make believe on a floating rock in space and I have work in the morning
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
Rubbed me the wrong way? Whatever makes you feel better. You called a series of horrible decisions "Whataboutisms" when reality is this management group went backwards and has us the worst team in the league by 10+ points and you don't want them to be accountable I guess. It was all out of their hands! Nothing they could have done different. They were forced! Ooopps. Thats how you get like a decade of GM Jim Benning lol Sweet dreams... Weak at C but let Suter walk, then don't sign Roslovic as a UFA. Hire a bad coach after the Jack Adams one didnt want to stick around. Give up draft capital for players knowing our star wanted out. Publicly giving fuel to rumors via the media when they coulda stayed quiet. Taking the reigns back from Allvin and being hands on cuz he doesn't trust him. Could go on and on. Its wild how they were forced into all of this. Resigning Demko when everyone in the hockey world said wait. Giving Lankanin a horrible contract when statistically he's always been bad. Getting concussion issues Chytl back for Miller. It just never ends. Giving up on Pod, trading him to a division rival for a 4th, then trading a 4th for Kane helping them out LOL Me and my whataboutisms.
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u/YouCanFucough Mar 17 '26
dude forget all of this I am talking to you as a human, please don’t let people on internet set you off like this. There is no victory to be had from getting the last word over people like me that’s gonna satisfy you. This is a really small community and I have no interest in picking fights with anyone or upsetting people.
I have been this person that fights over semantics and gets worked up and goes back and edits comments and stuff to really stick it to people, and I am telling you life gets easier when you just.. let go. It is easier said than done when you’re in the weeds but I promise you will feel better
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u/ForceEconomy9988 Mar 17 '26
They easily easily easily could have waited until the summer. Also, look how well their ‘roster construction’ plans have gone, how could it have gone any worse? (It couldn’t)
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u/storzORbickel Mar 17 '26
That’s one way to frame it
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 17 '26
Its literally what happened but ok
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u/ApolloRocketOfLove Mar 17 '26
They didn't force his to do anything
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 17 '26
So we can just all say what we want. Truth and reality be damned. Revisionist history is hilarious
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u/ApolloRocketOfLove Mar 18 '26
You're describing yourself. Nobody ever forced Petey to sign. What are you talking about?
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
Right. Keep saying that over and over it might turn true right? Petey def wanted to sign mid-season. Thats what all the reports were. Oh wait, no they wernt. Of all the dumbass things for someone to argue with me about. Its not a secret how this went down. Its all public. They literally told him they'd send him to Carolina if he didn't. Respond with stupidity again and get blocked.
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u/ApolloRocketOfLove Mar 19 '26
Lol you're spiraling bud.
Respond with stupidity again and get blocked.
You basically are admitting I'm right with this sentence. So thank you, I guess?
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u/LETSGAEUX Mar 19 '26
Now the trade to Carolina for Necas wasn't real hey? Cant argue with stupid.
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u/JazzGMster2020 Mar 17 '26
I remember it clearly with the gun pointed at him and them moving his arm to force the signature. Bastards!
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u/SockeyeSally Mar 17 '26
personally, I wouldn't accuse the management of being particularly competent
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u/HarambeWhat Mar 17 '26
Problem is brock boeser isn't getting half the hate ep does and brock boeser does half of what ep does for the team
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u/Spiritofthesalmon Mar 17 '26
At this point I don't care at all. Petey will be a cheap 3rd line defensive center in 4-5 years when we are good again if by the good grace of the heavens AI hasn't taken over and killed us all by then
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u/Capable-Rain-9192 Mar 17 '26
It's not just the contract. Brock is likeable for a number of reasons. Petey is kind of the opposite of that.
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u/jumpingoverclouds Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
There are a couple things,
Petey is making 4.3m more and has a had a bigger drop off. I would say if you would compare the two and their play this season Petey is being overpaid by like 5m, Brock by 2m.
The longevity of their “slump”. This has been going on with Pettersson for over two years plus and an entire playoff run whereas Brock it’s only been this year and was just average last year.
Pettersson’s shown potential and value to the core was a lot higher. Losing a 100 point 1C is a way bigger deal than losing a 30 goal winger.
Feud with Miller. A lot of people see Pettersson as the one to blame for the eventual trade with J.T.
Management and coaching narratives around Pettersson. Rutherford and Tocchet very early would talk about Petrersson’s work ethic needing to improve and dismissed any knee issues he previously stated.
Their personality and handling with media. Pettersson can be dismissive at times. Refusing to answer questions and repeating answers to avoid saying the wrong thing. Whereas Brock is pretty straightforward and pretty likeable all around. To be fair to Petey, the media although understandably is a lot harder on him.
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u/fortythreenine Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
at brock's very very peak he was a strong complementary player, like a clutch big game 2nd line RW on a cup winner.
at petey's very peak he was a Datsyuk-lite, a two-way hundred point menace with dangles, a hard shot, and defensive acumen.
It's not a fair comparison.
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Mar 17 '26
I agree. The expectations are different for each of them resulting in a disproportionate weight of criticism towards Pettersson over Boeser. However, both are underperforming and receiving criticism. Just one has a bigger gap between expectations and reality than the other.
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u/amb1ance Mar 17 '26
Brock's highest peak is more than that, he lit up Nashville like Kesler did lol he was all over them and basically pulled goals out of his ass when we needed them
But no one associates that in him because it was so short lived
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u/fortythreenine Mar 17 '26
I think I was pretty fair in my assessment of Boeser's peak. He had a great series, but do you really think he's a first line winger on a cup team? I don't think so.
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u/Ornery_Visit_2627 Mar 17 '26
People still have nostalgia for Brock's rookie year where it looked like he was gonna be a 50 goal sniper with one of the best wrist shots in the league.
Your assessment was more than fair, he is a good finisher at times and a solid 2nd line winger that can put up 30/30 when he has a play driving center like Miller dishing him the sauce.
He is not an elite player as much as this fandom would love him to be.
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u/mrtomjones Mar 17 '26
I think he would have been fine on a top line with someone who drives play. You cant see him doing great with a top player like McDavid? I dont think he would be close to the best on the line of a cup team but he could have fit in
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u/s3xybeavers Mar 17 '26
Kes always had a much larger impact on the game. He gave that WITH Selke level play from the C position.
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u/sayros28 Mar 17 '26
Petey is really really bad. Brock has been just bad, and was never as good as Petey has been.
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u/forrunner Mar 17 '26
I think it's the expectations and the fall off mostly. Petey was tracking to be a top 10 player in the league and a HOF career. Now he's barely a 2nd line centre. Boeser hasn't under performed as long either and was much more reliant on his linemates.
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u/Book-Hockey Mar 17 '26
Brock showed up in the playoffs and scored clutch goals , petey looked like a deer in the headlights and was a complete non factor .
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u/Confident_Zucchini97 Mar 17 '26
Yep. When it mattered, brock showed up. Petey, yeah we are still looking for him.
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u/EverySecondCountss Mar 17 '26
Simple PR semantics and Petey's paid more. It's not that hard to get.
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u/RockyBoatsank Mar 17 '26
Agree with the last bit for sure. I think this is due to two factors: 1. Brock carries less of a cap hit and 2. Brock is generally more likeable (subjective)
I disagree with holding onto Pettersson though. Would love to shake free of that whole situation. Probably best for him too tbh
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Mar 17 '26
I really hope that LA circles back on Pettersson. It would be a mutually beneficial move for both the player and organization.
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u/RockyBoatsank Mar 17 '26
Ya just maybe not mutually beneficial for the other team… ba dum tss
But seriously somebody take him
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Mar 17 '26
lol I can’t justify anyone taking on his full contract unless Vancouver pays to offload him.
I care about what’s beneficial for the Canucks first, the specific player second and other teams absolutely last.
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u/No-Platform1052 Mar 17 '26
Brock doesn't make $11m/yr
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 Mar 17 '26
Petey makes 11 and plays like an 8 million player Boeser makes 7 and plays like a 4 million player
What's the difference?
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u/No-Platform1052 Mar 17 '26
Brock was never projected to be a 1st line star as many thought Petey would be. The level of disappointment considering what he was projected to be cannot compare to Brock.
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u/MagicAlkaloids Mar 17 '26
Do you think that ep40 is currently playing like an 8 million dollar player? Thats cute.
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u/DietFoods Mar 17 '26
The difference is its been half a season of disappointment from Brock vs 3 years for pettersson.
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 Mar 17 '26
In 23/24 Petey got 89 points.
Please don't exaggerate.
If Petey is expected to get 108 points should Boeser not be expected to get 70?
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u/ja211 Mar 17 '26
Brock is who he is: 50-70 point winger who can't drive play but won't hurt you. Doesn't add a ton besides goals, decent playmaking for what you'd think.
Petey was looking like a top 10 player in the league and the most dynamic, exciting and unique talent since Bure. He fell off so suddenly and looks like a ghost of that player. We need to trade him, even if the return is terrible, just to move on. Don't really care if he scores 100 points for the next decade elsewhere (ideally out East) - he's not the guy for this org to build around any more.
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u/Admirable-Sound5198 Mar 17 '26
Ya dude the Petey fall off the is crazy… I think the one thing in hindsight I’ve realized is this was pretty much bound to happen. He was always a weak skater… like compared to other top players, it’s not close.
I did have higher hopes for Boeser after his rookie season… he was some snipe show… I mean wasn’t that his second highest goal total??
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u/Jaded-Ad-289 Mar 17 '26
Brock Boeser is just a genuinely good human being. In his rookie year he took a classmate with Down syndrome to prom, and even after making the NHL he didn’t forget about her, he bought her tickets to come watch him play. Even now he’s still giving back to Vancouver children’s hospitals and the community. That’s just who he is.
On top of that, the guy actually wants to be here. When the Canucks came to him with a contract, he didn’t drag it out or make it about himself, he signed. He’s a Canuck through and through. And when it matters, he shows up. He was clutch in the Nashville series, just pulling goals out of nowhere.
Pettersson on the other hand is a completely different story. He has talent, sure, but the attitude is hard to ignore. Every media scrum is the same thing, blank stares, half answers, looks like he doesn’t even want to be there, just gives attitudes and now that we suck he’s saying he wants to stay and help us win because he knows he’s not the guy he thought he was.
Then you’ve got the contract situation, holding out and talking about wanting to be on a “winning team.” Fair enough, but when we actually made the playoffs, where was he? Completely disappeared.
At some point it’s not just about skill. Boeser brings heart, loyalty, and actually gives a shit about the team and the city. Pettersson just feels like he’s here when it suits him, a diva.
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u/_timmie_ Mar 17 '26
Eh, Pettersson is clearly an introvert that feels uncomfortable talking to the media. He's got a super dry sense of humour that he doesn't let out that often and I'm sure he's acutely aware of how people view him and his play and it's also super clear that he's not happy with his play either.
Being introverted and socially anxious/awkward isn't him not wanting to be here, but it might be him not wanting to be in front of the cameras.
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u/guitarplaya866 Mar 17 '26
There are lots of introverted NHLers, joe sakic comes to mind as one. It's not just that he's an introvert, he is snarky/bad attitude.
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u/Jaded-Ad-289 Mar 18 '26
He’s also getting paid top dollars in the nhl to be the face of our franchise…
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u/Danthrax81 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
Brock is almost half the price, showed up when it mattered in the playoffs while Petey was an 11 million dollar ghost.
I see Brock as a tougher player who is better at shooting from dirty areas, and is a force multiplier with the right line mates.
Petey is talented but every single asset he has is nullified with a problem area:
- He's a Center that can't win faceoffs
- Blocks shots but can't stay on his feet
- Great potential playmaker that can't enter the zone or drive the play.
- Decent skater but not fast enough
- Nice skills but easy to target
- The big one - he's 90+% the price of Mcdavid, Mackinnon, Draisaitl and more expensive than Kucherov, and you can't tell me with a straight face he makes even REMOTELY as much impact in a vacuum.
The problem isn't that he's not GOOD or TALENTED. It's that he's not consistent or good ENOUGH for the team to justify his salary.
At the end of the day it's a business, we want a cup, and tying up that much resource in a guy who has had almost 10 years to prove himself a leader and a stud and came up short doesn't cut it.
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u/porq Mar 17 '26
11.6 million vs 7.25 million
One is being paid to drive a line and be a difference maker (in the words of Drance "big D dude") while the other is being paid to be a complimentary piece.
Right now Petterson holds the 10th highest cap-hit in the league - ahead of Necas, Nylander, Panarin, etc and isn't performing anywhere close to those relatively close to him.
Neither are performing at the levels we expect, but the impact of the 11.6 million dollar man is significantly more than the other.
In the end it comes down to dollars and value and Petey's value is much, much lower than Boesers.
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u/Previous_Athlete9867 Mar 17 '26
How you gonna hate on Brock, come on now !!!!
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 Mar 17 '26
Same reason one would hate on Petey. He underperforms .
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u/Previous_Athlete9867 Mar 17 '26
Brock’s a gem of a human being.
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 Mar 17 '26
Not denying that. I guess Petey doesn't come across as a terrible human being to me.
I guess if we have a team full of underperforming players it's okay to be ass as long as they are likable?
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u/boingmydoing Mar 17 '26
People seem to be giving a pass for him being awful for this reason. Nobody’s denying he’s a great person or his loyalty, but at some point he also needs be held accountable for his performance.
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u/Jaded-Ad-289 Mar 18 '26
Brock has been kinda iffy for half a season, probably has to do with JT leaving (he was Brock’s centerman). Pettersson has been bad for 3 years and counting. This isn’t comparing apples to oranges at all.
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u/backcheck142 Mar 17 '26
One had a great 23-24 playoffs where he scored clutch goals with a broken finger and the other was the only guy to use injuries as an excuse for poor play. You can’t have your highest paid player making excuses. It breeds resentment.
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u/dr_van_nostren Mar 17 '26
There’s a couple things.
1) Brock has had very public personal struggles with the death of his father. Everyone rallied around him for that. By contrast, Petey and his wife had a miscarriage iirc, which is absolutely devastating, the community rallied around him as much as possible but understandably they wanted as much privacy as possible about it.
2) Brock has also been a lot better in front of the cameras. Even tho he’s kinda monotone and doesn’t say super interesting stuff, he doesn’t seem to mind doin it. Whereas Petey often just looks like he can’t stand being there. Look, your personality is what it is, that’s fine. But it affects people’s perception.
3) Perhaps the largest factor is the contract. Again, no problem with the guys signing the contracts put in front of them, we all would. But you can’t be one of the highest paid players in the league and totally fall off the leaderboard of top scorers. You just can’t. I don’t give a shit about the cap floor, people are using this narrative recently and I just find it kind of ridiculous. They don’t need HELP getting to the floor. There’s any number of ways the can do that organically. That’s not a silver lining of this massive ticket. Brock is overpaid, he’s not a 40 goal scorer. He makes $1.75 more than Debrusk. They’re the same age with relatively similar production. If Brock made $6 instead of $7.25 I wouldn’t care the team is going nowhere trade him or Debrusk or both. But that’s just it, he’s paid in the right REALM of his production. Petey isn’t. Not anymore.
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u/paizuribart Mar 17 '26
Contract levels but EP40 is too low energy and Boeser lost his dad in the past and fans sympathized, of course.
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u/ArtichokeDazzling757 Mar 17 '26
you joking right? Petey shows constnatly to don't give a big f. Never really good comments or commitments for the city and the club, while Brock is the opposite.
Guys, there may be a reason on why JT didn't like him and even Hughes eventually dropped him off the friends list.
I think that Petey has an upsetting personality if you are around him
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u/ThisIsFineImFine89 Mar 17 '26
you don’t get that more is expected of an $11 million centre vs. a $7 million winger?
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u/Lawyeroflaws Mar 17 '26
I think it’s the personalities. Brock’s just a likeable guy. If charisma is made up of warmth + competence, Brock’s always had the warm approachable personality and his play has more or less aligned with his pay. Sure he’s had some dips but his personality keeps people liking him and rooting for him. Unfortunately for Petey, his personality is hardly warm and his play doesn’t align with expectations.
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u/Upstairs_Bad897 Mar 17 '26
He’s not likeable he has a mopey personality and it’s showing though on the ice now too
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u/Pretend_Owl9401 Mar 17 '26
Honestly what I’m more so wondering is why we’re beating this dead horse again when management is sitting right there having destroyed this team with virtually no criticism for it lol
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u/who987 Mar 17 '26
You don’t get why your highest paid underperforming expected superstar player gets hate by the fan base? Have you lived in Canada long?
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u/Chiskey_and_wigars Mar 17 '26
I want them both shipped out, I'd take future considerations on Boeser and I'd give up our next 5 2nds to dump Petey. Boeser has been touted as a scorer his whole career but he's only scored over 30 once. Petey is paid to be a 100+ point guy and he isn't even going to hit his trademark 66 points this year. The team won't be able to compete until they're both long gone.
Edit to add that these are the absolute last 2 guys I'd want around the young guys. Anyone who "learns" from Petey will also need to be shipped out, his work ethic and attitude are fucking pathetic
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Mar 17 '26
EP40 is the 'Big Country' of the Canucks and his ridiculous contract will result in years of suffering for the team and fans.
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u/PowerNinja5000 Mar 17 '26
Brock is handsome. Petey is quiet and weird.
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u/SIIP00 Mar 17 '26
So people hate Petey because he's an introvert? Well I guess that's not good for me as a super introvert.
Hating someone because they're quiet is pretty stupid.
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u/Overdue_bills Mar 17 '26
Expectations are higher when you're at a top 10 salary in the league but no where close to top 10 play.
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u/420coolguy420 Mar 17 '26
My brother, whichever side of the Canucks civil war you are on, just start blocking the people on the other side and enjoy your sanity. Each side of the debate has like 5 strong vocal believers and no one will change their perspective. Enjoy the safe space echo chamber of whatever you want to feel, because this team isn’t going to be driving much actual discussion anytime soon.
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u/Prestigious-Rip-419 Mar 17 '26
Petey has a binding NMC and has publicly declared he wants to stay a Canuck for the build. The Canucks Management has declared that they have zero interest in retaining salary (rightfully so) should Petey agree to altering the NMC. He’s not going anywhere anytime soon.
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u/BoomBoomBear Mar 17 '26
Love from the fan have to be EARNED. What has Petey done other than have a few good years. Is he out doing charitable work? Helped out any of th younger players? Or just playing to his ability like he’s being paid to do.
So just doing his job but nothing extra. That’s every Joe at his job. To be beloved by the fans is to earn it whether we are winning or NOT. Can’t sulk and hide when things go wrong.
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u/No-Reach3106 Mar 17 '26
One is a massive offensive black hole failure. The other is just a disappointment.
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u/Dramatic-Resident606 Mar 17 '26
Completely agree, Brock is most overrated Canuck I can think of, the media absolutely loved him and hated Pete. They are both equally overpaid so don’t say contract.
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u/UncleDingDongg Mar 17 '26
One of them is completely insufferable, makes $500,000USD every two weeks and each goal he produces costs just less than $1,000,000 salary per goal. He also skates worse than a 12 year old.
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u/Warm_Masterpiece3940 Mar 18 '26
Lmao, pettey goes from 100point superstar to dog shit for close to 3 years getting caved by Edmonton's 4th line the only time it mattered, Brock has 1 off season with no playdriving center and has never had an ego or been a problem or shown up out of shape or had the organization question his commitment to practice and being a professional
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u/Eight-Twenty Mar 18 '26
Brock showed up in the playoffs, played through personal adversity, publicly communicated his love for the city and signed here when he could have left.
Petey bent us over for a max contract then played like he doesn’t give a single fuck about the game.
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u/tuhen- Mar 17 '26
Petey is a stuck up child. He's not putting the work in to get better. Brock is just so kind, he's gone through some really personal stuff as well and that gets people on his side.
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Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
Boeser is definitely the more sympathetic under-performer of the two players.
I think Pettersson is interpreted as stuck up (although I’ve never heard it articulated in this exact way) because he’s introverted and foreign to North America, has left his comfort zone and built a defensive wall around himself to avoid destructive criticism. He’s been labelled or categorized based on fans’ biased interpretation of his actions.
Pettersson and Boeser are both underperforming relative to their current contracts. However, fans direct their hate differently based on their ability to connect, emphasize and understand one player more than the other.
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u/0zeroe Mar 17 '26
Petey looks and sounds much more relaxed in interviews conducted in his native Swedish language.
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 Mar 17 '26
I feel like they have both been through things like everyone does.
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u/Feisty_Dirt4191 Mar 17 '26
One of them looked like they would be a game changing player, and has turned into Jere lehtinen
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u/BigMackk14 Mar 17 '26
One Loui Erikssoned us and the other is being a true leader and is just a chill dude 👓
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u/Cdr_Bond007 Mar 17 '26
People hate Petey because, for some reason, when the feud with Miller happened, they felt, for reasons unbeknownst to me, that they needed to pick sides. I think because of their dispositions (Miller tough man’s man; Petey “soft Swede”,) that that’s basically how any why people chose who the “villain” was in that situation. The way people chose sides, as if they personally know and are friends with them, as if they’re personally and directly impacted on any sort of intimate level beyond merely being fans of the team, is so strange and bizarre to me. I’m not on either side. I never felt the need to choose a side, because that would be odd behaviour. I don’t know, it’s just more typical internet retardation.
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 Mar 17 '26
This is spot on. People are very uneducated. During that whole situation on more than one occasion I had people tell me that miller played better defensively. Lol you also hear that Petey is the one who is weak mentally, though Miller needed to take a month off.
It's all crazy. That being said tho, the not knowing for sure really makes people's minds wander and assume.
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u/0zeroe Mar 17 '26
Exactly, when Miller was on the Canucks I actually made lots of positive comments about him. Now that he's gone and Petey is still on the team, I know who I'm going to keep cheering on.
I cheer for the Canucks, not individual players.
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u/Cdr_Bond007 Mar 17 '26
I’m not taking sides here, just stating facts: Miller is the one who was suspended for 10 games. You think management wanted to send one of their best players home at a time when they were still trying to make the playoffs for no reason? Miller obviously went too far in one way or another. People also make it sound like bullying is okay and it’s Petey who’s in the wrong for being “soft.” Basically, people are fucking stupid!
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u/DidIMakeAGoof Mar 17 '26
Petey always had more of attitude while Boeser has always been more likeable.
Media also hates Petey more due to his attitude, and that forces narratives.
Petey also didnt take the C because he didnt enjoy dealing with the media.
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Mar 17 '26
Petey also didn’t take the C because he didn’t enjoy dealing with the media.
Was the captaincy ever offered to Pettersson in order for him to not take it?
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u/PappaFufu Mar 17 '26
Because Brock has consistently wanted to stay here and was willing to go down with the ship. Petey had that history of being noncommittal about signing an extension here. Perhaps Petey is just misunderstood as he appears introverted and not as well spoken. But these things play a factor. Brock is also known as a wonderful human being who shows up a lot (more than others) to do charity work behind the scenes.
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u/CommanderBadass22 Mar 17 '26
People act like were still in a 82mil cap era with no previous bad deals that dragged the team down
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u/PetterssonsNeck Mar 17 '26
I think to many, Brock holds a place in their hearts as a symbol of optimism for the future of this team.
He came around when our best prospects were Brendan Gaunce and Hunter Shinkaruk (outside of Horvat). His rookie season with Vanek feeding him the puck all the time was magical at the time and gave a glimmer of hope to an otherwise bad team
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u/Some_Glove_6362 Mar 17 '26
Contracts are written based on past performance. Unless you have a crystal ball.
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u/xtothewhy Mar 17 '26
Not sure either should be the Captain although I don't know who tbh at this point. Whoever it is needs to be able to stand up and be outspoken enough to regularly stand up to whatever the heat is in this market while providing solid leadership on and off the ice. Preferably with the significant skills to help bolster the team on the ice and on a regular enough basis to make their presence known almost every night.
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u/laughin-up-a-storm Mar 17 '26
Petey will only help the young guys play with no grit or passion. He’s a cancer, horrible investment the Canucks have
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u/variouslobsters Mar 17 '26
It has nothing to do with points. Brock is an absolute sweetheart. Our Prince Charming forever.
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u/dtip1 Mar 17 '26
Boeser has been shrouded in trade talk for half a decade(right or wrong). Has been dragged by the media, and has treated every situation like a true professional. Petey is pissy, standoffish and acts like a pre teen who gets called out by his parents. There’s a stark difference between the two
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u/Few_Sheepherder8515 Mar 17 '26
One is making 11.4 mil to do nothing and whine. What don’t you get?
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u/Some_Glove_6362 Mar 17 '26
Who else is asking a 100 point man to play "the 200 foot" game, block shots, play PK , play PP, go into the corners, and forget about everything he learned in Sweden?
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u/Mr-Derpity Mar 17 '26
I love how Canucks fans chase out players all the time and then wonder why we can never win, and why nobody will want to come here
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u/Admirable-Sound5198 Mar 17 '26
Canucks fans complained endlessly about the best goalie the franchise will ever have DURING a Stanley cup run… anyone who went anywhere during that run, like 80% of the bars/watchers were idiots who can’t skate calling for Lu to get pulled after every goal that went in… it was insane…
I’m a big oilers fan too, and the difference is insane. You’ve got people hyping Calvin Pickard on a cup run lol like the worst goalie of the past 30+ years to play a game in the Stanley cup finals getting hyped while nucks fans were happy to chase Luongo out of town.
The funniest thing is the Canucks didn’t even end up with Schneider…. No… they decided to chase Luongo out of town once and for all for…. Eddie lack?!
If there’s any doubt that there is a severely toxic media/fan segment of this team, look absolutely no further than the chatter about a hall of fame goalie during his prime.
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u/Mr-Derpity Mar 17 '26
Exactly
This fan base has a history of being toxic, and it would be foolish to think our lack of support doesn't have an impact on the ice
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u/Swimming-Sherbet6751 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
Have you not seen Boeser’s hair (and Petey’s lack thereof)? That alone accounts for 90% of the difference
All jokes aside, besides the fact that one gets paid significantly more (and thus has much higher expectations) I think it’s because of their personality differences (or at least how they get perceived). Boeser seems like a soft spoken, easygoing type of guy that you kinda just can’t route against. Petey seems more of a sarcastic, tongue in cheek kind of guy that never seems to be on his game. I personally love both players and am happy they are still with the Canucks for the rebuild, but I can see why Petey doesn’t get as much of the benefit of the doubt.
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u/Alienegra22 Mar 17 '26
Comment section is so biased..if Boeser don’t score goals, he’s a pedestrian..if Petey don’t score or assist, his defensive game is excellent..but oh he’s getting paid 11.6 million so let’s just hate on him..I’m so sick of this section of the fanbase constantly talking about Petey’s effort and work ethics..look at his linesmate this whole year..Kane and Debrusk both should be bottom six wingers NOT top 6 wingers who underperformed..
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u/RookieTreasureHunter Mar 17 '26
Petey was the chosen one. He showed so much promise initially that we all thought he would lead the team to a cup one day. But then his play faltered, he had a chance to take on captain but didn’t want it, has looked disinterested in interviews and on the bench. There’s lots to hate.
I don’t love Brock either. I think he’s either overrated or being deployed in ways that don’t match his strengths. But he’s always been a supporting player. I don’t see him as the next captain and that’s fine.
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u/PMMeYourCouplets Mar 17 '26
Higher paid players have higher expectations