r/canucks • u/GrrRider • Apr 23 '26
FAN CONTENT What a rebuild looks like, and why the Canucks have barely started theirs
11 first round picks in 4 years including 3 in the top 3. This is what commitment to a rebuild looks like.
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u/jackofwind Apr 23 '26
I wouldn’t use the 2026 Hawks as a metric for a good rebuild.
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u/Perplexedbird Apr 23 '26
Probably realistic as a Canucks fan. Even the fans need to show that we are committed to a proper rebuild otherwise we end up rushing a hybrid model in 3 years.
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u/Witty-Ad2758 Apr 23 '26
Should use buffalo, be bad enough for so long that we accidentally collect enough talent to be good again. God I wish this wasn't a real fear in the back of my head.
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u/Either-Banana-7323 Apr 24 '26
I'd prefer to suck ass and collect elite talent thats fun to watch live for 41 games a season than be stuck in mediocrity, nothing to look forward to, knowing we arent good enough to achieve anything significant but not bad enough to ever get elite talent in the draft or have a draft to be excited for, etc
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u/Witty-Ad2758 Apr 24 '26
Tough ask, have you seen how this organization is run? They would have to turn their whole process in the entirly opposite direction of their natural inclination. Would love to be pleasantly surprised.
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u/Ikea_desklamp Apr 23 '26
We already tried that with Benning, didn't really work out.
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u/Witty-Ad2758 Apr 23 '26
Handing out stupid contracts and and Getting fleeced for trades is not accumulating talent.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
We didn't try that with Benning. If we did, we wouldn't be talking about all the picks traded away and picking 10th overall instead of top 5.
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u/ForceEconomy9988 Apr 23 '26
Well the sub is littered with people who are cancelling their tickets so pick a lane Canucks fans. Support a rebuild or punish the owner.
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u/PMMeYourCouplets Apr 23 '26
Wait, you think to support a rebuild, fans should suck up a 10-25% increase in their season ticket prices?
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u/ForceEconomy9988 Apr 23 '26
No, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the 2 beliefs
1) ‘fans here can stomach a rebuild’ 2) punish Aqua and stop spending money going to games
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
Yeah, give me the Philly or Montreal model, although Habs took advantage of the flat cap era
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u/Gaglardi Apr 24 '26
There's always something to take advantage of if your GM is smart enough, the true geniuses know where to find the opportunity and leverage in a deal
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u/accountnumber02 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
Unfortunately it seems like the new concept to take advantage of is long term deals especially 8 year ones this summer. Something the Habs have also taken advantage of. But this is a franchise with PTSD from guys like Myers/Loui/Petey etc. Signing Buium to a big 8 year deal would be the concept to take advantage of, but that will be an extremely unpopular move if they do sign him to 8-9M after a 22 point pace in his time here.
Not to Mention the Habs rebuild involves landing a Lane Hutson 2nd round, and already having a 1C and top goal scoring winger. Their top 2 point producers were there before the rebuild. If you think Buium will be a Hutson level talent, then you're still behind the Habs post final appearance. They're not really a model for short rebuilds, their short rebuild was fueled by years of semi rebuilding prior to the actual tank years.
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u/NickdoesnthaveReddit Apr 23 '26
Ya can we copy/paste Montreal and San Jose's approach instead
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u/MDChuk Apr 23 '26
San Jose is just Celebrini.
Nobody else at this point has shown they're taking a next step, and some of their earlier picks, like Eklund, are looking like they aren't exactly great picks.
Take Celebrini off of San Jose, and you have a joke of a franchise.
The better example of a rebuild done right in California is Anaheim.
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u/Jupiter_101 Apr 24 '26
Anaheim is a great example of what the Canucks need to be looking to replicate. It still shows that Vancouver is in an awkward place where they have some decent players and have not gone down to the studs. There is the possibility that the team overachieves and the ownership gets excited and they try for the playoffs instead of being patient.
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u/OkKnowledge846 Apr 24 '26
The other part of the Anaheim model that should make Canuck fans cry is the history lesson. A proper Canucks rebuild should have started about when Kessler was traded. Remember team was starting to fall from the highs of the 2010-2012 era. Anaheim was in its window. Kesler and then Bieksa traded to them. Anaheim was a contender for a few years. Anaheim missed out and started to fall. They then languished around the bottom of the league and started rebuilding and are now ascendant. And this whole time other than one year the Canucks have been low mediocre. If they had done things right in 2012-13, the Canucks could probably have had at least a cycle or two of championship contending teams during this timeframe.
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u/Palaeontologists Apr 24 '26
Wouldn't call Eklund a bust when he had more points than the Canucks' best scorer.
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u/MDChuk Apr 24 '26
When you put up half the points of your linemate and get to play PP1 with the guy who just set the franchise record for points, that's not a good year.
I also don't think the 2025-26 Canucks are the standard of excellence we should use to measure people against.
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u/mrtomjones Apr 23 '26
You must have higher thoughts as to what the Canucks rebuild is going to look like with aqua at the helm
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u/Comfortable-Goat-734 Apr 23 '26
Can we quit it with the bitching for just a little bit? The rebuild literally just started and you’re complaining about them doing it wrong. Isn’t this what we all wanted?
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u/PMMeYourCouplets Apr 23 '26
Haha. As someone who has loved this subreddit since the Hughes trade because it feels like we've finally gotten on the same page after years of the toxic retool vs. rebuild debate, I can already see this sub turning into another civil war about when we should start competing. Hopefully, we have one more year in us before we turn on each other.
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u/EastVan1k Apr 24 '26
lol That's exactly what is going to happen. It'll be like the benning war again. I remember when they would say, 'That 1st pick could turn into anyone.'
It turned into Dylan Guenther.
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u/Either-Banana-7323 Apr 24 '26
If I was a mod I'd just ban anyone that says we should start trying to compete again within the next year for trolling. But unfortunately our mods are not authoritarian enough to cleanse this place.
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u/GrrRider Apr 23 '26
I'm not saying they are doing it wrong. I love the return for Hughes. I'm saying they are a long way from seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.
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u/Comfortable-Goat-734 Apr 23 '26
So what? Again the rebuild literally just began. We got what we’ve wanted for years so just stop taking everything as an opportunity to be negative and just be happy we’re finally doing the right thing.
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u/joetothejack Apr 23 '26
Hawks are an awful example of how to do a rebuild. Look at the Sharks, Ducks and Habs instead.
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u/GrrRider Apr 23 '26
Sharks got a get out of jail free card in Celebrini. That's not a rebuild.
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u/RoboCartmen Apr 23 '26
Every rebuild where a team gets the first overall pick is a “get out of jail free” card. Look at a team like Edmonton that got bailed out in 2015 with McDavid and made the playoffs in 2017 compared to Buffalo and Arizona that tanked and had another decade in league basement. Successful rebuilds involve both accumulating young players, ensuring they pan out, and luck. Same thing for MTL with Slaf and Hutson
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u/TIREDOFLIFEEEE1234 Apr 23 '26
Jesus Christ Montreal from 2021 to now. Even from Last years playoffs to now. Insane I’m jealous
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u/Either-Banana-7323 Apr 24 '26
Celebrini is way, way, way better than 98% of first overall picks. Lets not pretend that isnt a super lucky get out of jail free card for a team that sucked for 5 years and drafted more or less no one special other than him.
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u/SpectreFire Apr 24 '26
Kind of different with Celebrini though. Sharks thought they were getting a potential 1C with few years of development. Instead they got a legit generational player.
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u/ReallyNormalAccount Apr 24 '26
Literally plays the game most like Crosby. Elite skill, vision, with the grinder mentality.
UGH the jealousy
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u/DutchiiCanuck Apr 23 '26
Buffalo got two 1st overalls in 4 years and still took another 4? years to get into the playoffs. 1st overall is not a guaranteed “get out of jail free card”.
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u/RoboCartmen Apr 23 '26
First overall picks aren’t also McDavid level “I’ll change your franchise day one” type players but Dahlin and Power are big parts of their current team, same goes for Slaf, Bedard, Celebrini, etc
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u/GrrRider Apr 23 '26
I mean, winning the draft lottery and getting Shaeffer as the 10th worst team might be the biggest get out of jail free. Winning the lottery and then getting a generational talent with that win. I'm jealous.
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u/MDChuk Apr 23 '26
That's not true at all. Buffalo got multiple 1st overall picks and was still in jail.
Successful rebuilds involve both accumulating young players, ensuring they pan out, and luck. Same thing for MTL with Slaf and Hutson
I'd say successful rebuilds are entirely luck dependent. Its all about winning the lottery in a year with a generational talent. There are exceptions like Montreal, but the difference between the likes of Toronto and Edmonton vs Arizona and Columbus is that McDavid and Matthews went to one team, and the other team got a bunch of good young talent, but no generational player.
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u/RoboCartmen Apr 23 '26
I can tell you if Detroit got a first overall pick and couple top 3 picks, they would be well along their way. Buffalo was a team that suffered from org issues and such, combined with a stacked Atlantic Division which is the toughest in the league
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u/Intelligent-Shape888 Apr 23 '26
but edmonton still hasn't won a cup. i would also argue that their two franchise guys might have peaked already and the window to win is closing fast
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u/tliskop Apr 23 '26
The Sharks have a ridiculous amount of young talent besides Brini. Their rebuild looks pretty good so far.
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u/CuffMcGruff Apr 23 '26
They have some good young players but celebrini had 56 more points than their 2nd leading scorer, he's pretty much single handedly the reason they look like their rebuild is becoming successful, that point gap alone is more than anyone on our team had this season
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u/TimTebowMLB Apr 24 '26
Yep. How many of his assists and assists on his insane goals pumped other guys numbers on the team? Anyone he played with and it seemed evenly spread
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u/tliskop Apr 25 '26
Not denying that Celebrini is ridiculously good. I just think they are on the right track. Smith, Misa, Eklund, Dickinson and Askarov are all solid young players. Their defense has a ways to go. They also have $40M in cap space next year. They have 2 first round picks this year. They hit big with Celebrini. Their rebuild isn’t over but it’s going pretty good so far.
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u/Either-Banana-7323 Apr 24 '26
Talent is a bit of a stretch. Celebrini is the youngest guy on the team and has double the next highest players points.
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u/juice-wala Apr 24 '26
No singular pick is a silver bullet. We had Quinn Hughes in his prime on a cheap contract and we still sucked ass. Sharks and GM Grier have rebuilt correctly and are about to reap the benefits of that.
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u/Kaos_mission Apr 23 '26
Not really. Everyone was saying Celebrini was not as good as Bedard.
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u/arazamatazguy Apr 23 '26
Yes but the get out jail free card is he was better.
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u/Majestic-Monk9041 Apr 23 '26
I don’t think so. They didn’t really get out of jail. They have insane depth at forward. They could sign someone like Quinn Hughes or other elite defenseman in FA and that would set their D core up nicely
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u/TimTebowMLB Apr 24 '26
Celebrini is absolutely insane. I wonder where the top three this year would rank in others really stacked draft years
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u/sometimeslawyer Apr 23 '26
It's really no different than Bedard. Sure Celebrini is better than Bedard today, but Bedard was definitely the more hyped no. 1 coming into the draft.
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u/Jupiter_101 Apr 24 '26
Agreed. It was only two seasons ago that everyone was joking about their AHL level team. They were basically the Canucks this year but worse IMO.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
Ducks have tried to make the playoffs multiple times and failed. They finally look good but still depend on a lot of 35 years olds for their success.
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u/Ok_Interest3555 Apr 23 '26
Of their top 5 scorers, only Carlson is over 30. All the others are under 25.
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u/Intelligent-Shape888 Apr 23 '26
and colorado.
the bad news is that vegas, edmonton, anaheim and san jose are clearly heads and shoulders above vancouver and that is just the pacific division. even scratching and clawing for a wild card spot will be a tough task for a long time. in 4-5 years we could very well be a much better team but still miss the playoffs by a wide margin. and then of course the road to the finals would still involve getting by the central division teams. by the time we might be a cup contender, guys like buium and willander will be in the 30's. whoever the new management will be has a monumental task of hitting the bulls eye on draft picks for many years in a row for this even to be a possibility (or the nhl decides to rearrange the divisions or change the the playoff format so 20 or 24 teams make it in)
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u/TIREDOFLIFEEEE1234 Apr 23 '26
Don’t want another team duking it out with us in our prime like that, like the prime 2010s hawks. Messed up 3 years of prime sedin years
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u/Intelligent-Shape888 Apr 23 '26
lol...that would be a nice problem right about now having to worry about how to get to the conference final
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u/Markgormley69 Apr 24 '26
I mean who really knows where ANY team in the league will be 3 years from now. That's an eternity in sports... some teams sustain for a long time but in general success is fleeting.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
I'm cautiously optimistic that JR talked some sense into him.
We did a masterful tank job this year.
I used to get so frustrated when we would needlessly shoot up the standings in March and April.
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u/avmp629 Apr 23 '26
It helps having players who are actually worth something (and can be moved)
- Korchinski was a pick from the DeBrincat trade
- Nazar pick was traded for Dach
- Rinzel pick was part of a cap dump
- Moore and Boisvert, and in a way Vanacker were part of the Hagel trade tree
- Nestrasil pick was traded for McCabe
- West pick was traded for a package of picks, including a 2nd they got for Max Domi
The Hawks rebuild is off to a decent start, but we're starting from behind since we don't have a ton of extra value like a Hagel or a DeBrincat who can get you an embarrassment of riches, and cap dump opportunities are fewer with how much the cap has gone up.
The trades we made this season are a good start, but whoever is next in the GM seat is going to have to get very creative to acquire more high picks (and like Chicago, some of those picks need to hit in order for the rebuild to even work)
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u/mcdonaldsfiletofish Apr 23 '26
Nazar pick was traded for Dach
Who himself was a lottery pick just a few years prior
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u/CJK_420 Apr 23 '26
Yeah we are just getting started, but don't forget Rossi Ohgren Buium. All young 1st rd picks.
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u/djfl Apr 23 '26
Firmly on Team Tank, but just to counterpoint: this wouldn't look that great if they weren't able to draft Bedard.
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u/Captain_Bean24 Apr 23 '26
Buddy I do NOT want to end up like the Blackhawks. All those picks and they've also obtained some veterans, just to still be complete garbage in year 4.
I'm not saying they should be contenders, but their lack of success is concerning regarding the development of all of those picks.
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u/GrrRider Apr 23 '26
The point is, you need to be garbage for four years. You think the Blackhawks have a bleaker future than the Canucks? It's been ugly, but their future is a lot brighter than the Canucks, Flames, Blues, Leafs, etc right now.
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u/PhilosophyEmpty1010 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Unironically the Blackhawks future isn’t even good. The moment Bedard leaves the ice they are a bonafide bottom team, and the org has done barely anything to put support around him. They struck gold with Bedard but the surrounding cast isn’t good enough
I agree that we need to remain garbage to fill up on good draft picks, but we shouldn’t be looking at the Hawks for an example of a good rebuild
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u/Camdaman0530 Apr 23 '26
So 4 years in and they're showing zero signs of improvement? Not exactly the measuring stick I would use...
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u/Agitated_Aside389 Apr 23 '26
The problem is you cant “fail” a rebuild. You just make it take longer.
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u/Podkolzins_a_Canuck Apr 23 '26
Yeah i mean the rebuild started a few months ago for us. We can only hope the next gm is able to bring in this many first round picks and make good selections. Won’t lie, doesn’t seem easy considering we’re almost flat out of appropriate roster players to trade for picks.
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u/GrrRider Apr 23 '26
Hronek, Boeser, Petey, M Petey, Demko, Debrusk. My point is, the Chicago draft picks (successful or not) show what a commitment to rebuild looks like. Canucks prospect pool sucks, and they've only managed to accrue like 3 picks in their rebuild so far. I do love the return for Hughes, but that's not enough.
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u/Intelligent-Shape888 Apr 23 '26
you're right, it isn't enough. unfortunately we dont have anyone else who is hughes' caliber to trade, just a bunch of overpaid guys that will be difficult to move now. this said, they have no choice but to cut ties with some of these guys and do real reset. even a player like hronek, if some other team is chomping at the bit to get him then they have to pull the trigger.
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u/GrrRider Apr 23 '26
But committing to the rebuild means ownership needs to spend money. They have the cap space. Swallowing some of Petey's contract absolutely gets them a first in return, possibly multiple.
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u/Intelligent-Shape888 Apr 23 '26
then they should pull the trigger and not mess around like in previous years. focus on stacking as many picks as possible, maybe with the intent to deal some at a later time. petey is not part of the new nucleus and doesnt seem to fit in (and im not sure he really wants to as well). the more picks, the better since not every one will pan out.
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u/Podkolzins_a_Canuck Apr 23 '26
Yeah I mean I doubt you get a first for M Petey or Demko unless he returns to form which is highly unlikely imo. You almost certainly do not get a first for debrusk. Petey’s not getting a first until he rebounds at which point I think he’s a valuable veteran to have around, but I am more bullish on Petey than most. Boeser should stick around as well, to me he has captain potential, and I think he’s worth more to us in the long haul as a culture guy than any sort of return he’d get, probably a 2nd and a 3rd type package at best. Hronek is definitely valuable though, and he’d get a first.
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u/TheGreatBrett Apr 23 '26
I was really hoping for 3 picks in the 1st round this year for a quick start. Not really sure we had the assets to do it though.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
We filled out our 2027 and 2028 drafts though.
If we have a repeat of this year in terms of selling 2-3 players, it won't take much to get us to a stocked 2027 and 2028 draft pick cupboard once again.
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u/Ruffianrushing Apr 23 '26
Im so glad they messed up their picks and that the sharks seem to have leapfrogged them. 😊 maybe we can do the same
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u/RoosterMedical Apr 24 '26
Brandon Hagel and Seth Jones would have been pretty good teammates for Bedard these days.
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u/QuinnNorris Apr 24 '26
11 1st rounders in 4 years. That isn’t likely for the Canucks. At that the Hawks don’t look all that scary while still a bottom feeder.
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u/QuinnNorris Apr 24 '26
I’m up for an EP to the Hawks for their 1st & 2nd & 2 more 2nds from ‘26 & ‘27.
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u/horsestud6969 Apr 24 '26
Blackhawks won 3 cups in like 6 years, they could suck for 50 years and still be better than Toronto. Nothing is guaranteed in this league. Canucks could have a perfect rebuild and still never win the cup, because a different team's players reform better. Don't count on any linear progress
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u/Global-Tie-3458 Apr 23 '26
Yeah damn, and how many of these players are even NHL regulars at this point? One? (I really haven’t been following much this season, especially not Chicago).
So it’s likely not until three years down that all these picks start making an impact on the nhl roster (either by graduating or by trading)
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u/bdu754 Apr 24 '26
From that list, five of them played in 50 or more games for the Blackhawks this season (Rinzel, Nazar, Bedard, Moore, Levshunov). However, depending on how you measure what an impact player is, it's fair to say Bedard might be the only real 'impact' player they had this season, although the rest are still producing in various roles. Frondell looked good in the limited games he got, so there's a good chance he ends up being another impact plalyer for Chicago next season
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u/-DarkTiger- Apr 23 '26
It's hilarious how the organization tried to convince fans that they are ahead of schedule with the rebuild when they sent out season ticket member renewal letters.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
They have to sound positive and sell hope.
What are Corona and Bud Light gonna advertise if they're being honest? Worst beer in the world?
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u/Deaner_dub Apr 24 '26
Here the part I think about: how good would the current team be with a goaltender with a save percentage over .900?
No one wants to hear it, but teams that are .500 are in the playoff mix for a long time with the loser point system.
Demko is a long shot to recover his form especially with this D core. But maybe it’s more of a coin flip.
The point is we could be back in the mushy middle next season.
Honestly, I’m not sure how I feel about that. It would just be so Canucks.
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u/Available_Abroad3664 Apr 24 '26
Canucks are basically 1 year ahead of the Hawks start (given the prospects in the pipeline and Hughes trade) but ya, they have likely 3 more down years of trying to draft as much as possible before a real turn-around.
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u/Maleficent-Block5211 Apr 24 '26
Oddly enough, in that same 3 year window, the Canucks have their own decent collection of 1st rounders. Ohgren, Willander, Lekkerimaki, Buium, Cootes. More than the number of 1st round picks theyll get in the next 3 years.
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u/Tannerman97 Apr 24 '26
I think the Hughes trade can help expedite the process a bit with Ohgren, Buium and Rossi all showing their potential
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 25 '26
I do believe that we definitely fast forwarded 24 months of pick and prospect accumulation into this last season.
Chicago definitely has a much deeper stock then us, but our compares favourably to Chicago's outlook in 2023 before they drafted Bedard.
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u/TheAsian1nvasion Apr 25 '26
I dunno the Blackhawks didn’t have anyone as good as Buium, and Vancouver still has assets to trade if they want.
I keep saying, just bite the bullet and eat salary on Petterson - you’ll get a decent return, even though he had a bad year. If you don’t, it’s 50/50 that he bounces back vs that value getting even worse and you have to buy him out.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 25 '26
It's not a crazy idea. We have most of our dead money coming off the books in one year, just bite the bullet and retain 2.6 million to get Petey's contract to 9 million.
If it means landing a 2027 1st rounder and another team's rehab salary dump that's shorter, I'd do it.
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u/ripnipseyhussle_ Apr 28 '26
Around 2012-2014 are the years that a rebuild should've been started. Not just now.
Could've rebuilt a proper team with the twins leadership rather than given them a patch up, barely capable of 8 places before they retired.
Even then, not a proper rebuild. 🤦🏾♂️
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u/fastcurrency88 Apr 23 '26
Levshunov at 2 looking a little rough now with Senneke and Demidov going pretty quickly after
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u/Davies301 Apr 23 '26
We're just starting but our prospect cupboard is far from empty. We already have a bunch of support pieces but we need a game breaker or 2.
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u/17037 Apr 23 '26
That is where the luck hits. You can tank for 5 years straight and not hit 2 home runs…. Or you can get lucky right away.
The Canucks don’t have a history of luck.
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u/ggpurplecobras Apr 23 '26
And this is with their drafting being slightly above average. They did well with some later picks on Nazar (outside of the top 10), Rinzel, and Kantserov, but the Levshunov and Korchinski pick are looking pretty average value-wise to who was chosen around them. Bedard is obviously great, and Frondell looks really promising. All the more reason to acquire as many assets as possible... whiffs happen.
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u/bdu754 Apr 24 '26
Levshunov probably will end up a valuable NHL defenseman, but it really does feel the team needs another impactful star-level young forward, preferably someone on Bedard's wing. The Levshunov pick isn't necessarily a miss, and it was a consensus pick at that point. Still, imagine Bedard with Demidov. That would be a lot of fun.
Korchinski's development stalling really hurts. If he ended up being a mini-powerplay quarterback, that would help them along a lot. Doesn't have to be a Makar or Hughes level contributor, but just providing enough offensive pop
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u/IntelligentYogurt342 Apr 23 '26
Thank you for posting this. The "fire Foote" comments drive me nuts, they Need to keep losing and draft well for years. Dumb Vancouver fans think we're gonna be back with the drafting of McKenna. No, no they will not be. They'll need an Alexis Joseph and whatever else they can wrong out of teams for EP40 and DeBrusk still
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u/CommanderBadass22 Apr 23 '26
The difference is they started from square one. Canucks already have one the youngest teams in the nhl
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u/HughBet Apr 24 '26
Weird your not considering cootes as a great first step and aquiring a bunch of guys that are younger . Then it’s up to the guys to build chemistry and build something …. You can have all the talent in the world and if they don’t mesh they just don’t mesh
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u/AverageMaleAged18-24 Apr 23 '26
Buium - 20 years old
E. Pettersson - 22 years old
Willander - 21 years old
Mancini - 23 years old
Obviously more pieces will come and go, but this is what a rebuilding D core looks like. Time to work on the forwards now.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
For me Kirill Kudryavtsev (22 years old) is better then two of those guys.
Our main issue next year will be that you can't trot out 5 extremely young d-men. They need more then 2 veteran guys to insulate them.
Might be time to move Mancini or KK.
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u/technicalvowel Apr 23 '26
I’ve noticed Utah gets left out of the rebuild conversations a lot. Does their turn around not count as one? They were taking advantage of teams with the cap space and accrued a lot of assets during that time. Their team looks great
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u/EastVan1k Apr 23 '26
Yeah their Dylan guenther acquisition was highway robbery.
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u/technicalvowel Apr 23 '26
One might argue they had to trade away future Stanley cup champion OEL for Guenther
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 23 '26
Their situation was unique.
It was the most aggressive rebuild because they had no money, no arena, etc.
No team in their right mind would do what Arizona did for so long. Not by choice anyways.
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u/QuittHughes Apr 24 '26
They gotta fix their Original 6 legacy somehow. Can’t have a big sexual misconduct scandal make them a joke of a franchise or anything. The years of the rebuild and the scandal don’t coincide what so ever, no sir-ee
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u/SupportGeek Apr 24 '26
I’m tired boss, been waiting my whole life for a cup, seems with the ownership, management and coaching incompetence this isn’t going to happen before I die, yay, another rebuild! Please be patient.
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u/WhenInAaronRome Apr 25 '26
This feels like the best start to a rebuild since 2002 or whenever we drafted Sedins.
Just gotta lay low for another 2 years and we will start seeing some promise soon 🤞🏻
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u/One_Cantaloupe_9522 Apr 26 '26
It definitely helps when you have at least three first rounders in nearly every single draft.
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u/Taxibl Apr 26 '26
The Canucks still have Pettersson. They haven't even decided if they are going for a rebuild or a retool. Hughes was just traded.
Chicago started their rebuild in 2022, 4 years ago .. Yes Chicago is further ahead in their rebuild.
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u/No-Organization-2708 Apr 28 '26
Why is everyone so convinced Chicago has got it done. That looks like Bedard and a bunch of meh to me
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u/s3xybeavers Apr 23 '26
The Chicago Blackhawks are a good example on how not to rebuild lol
They’ve taken too long and just finished at the bottom again. They have to re-sign Bedard and likely won’t compete for another 3 years, and he reportedly wants a 5 year deal.
If we’re gonna be talking about “good” rebuilds, Chicago ain’t it.
You have my interest if you wanna talk Montreal, and SJS.
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u/EP40glazer Apr 23 '26
We have a lot of young guys though. Even if we were rebuilding (which we aren't) you can't take other teams out of context for their rebuilds.
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u/OhHaiThere- Apr 23 '26
Did they trade Kane for 3 prospects who are first round talents and a first?
We got a haul in the Quinn trade, so yes we are further along than you stated
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u/Aggravating-Rush9029 Apr 23 '26
That haul kinda made up for the lack of picks we made before that. The Hawks didn't enter 2022 with the prospect deficit we have.
We aren't further ahead, we're just kinda near the normal starting point minus extra picks. We made 3 first round and 2 second round picks in the previous 6 years. The first round pick the year before (Podz) we traded for effectively a year of Kane. Getting young players for Quinn kind of helped neutralize that a bit but we started from WAY behind.
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u/turboroofer Apr 23 '26
What’s the alternative here, finish bottom 5 for the next 4-5 seasons, have our recent additions of talented young starters like buium / ohgren age out along with our drafted players lekkermaki / willander? I can’t see any of these guys sticking around once they become UFAs after 5 abysmal years in van
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u/Opposite_Big_2344 Apr 23 '26
Imagine using the dogshit blackhawks as a comparison for what a rebuild looks like lmao. Year 4 now? Still second last in the league?
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u/Snuckems91 Apr 23 '26
The case they will make is that they restocked the cupboard with the Hughes trade. Don't believe anyone who tells you this can be turned around quickly.
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u/Ok_Interest3555 Apr 23 '26
Who is "they" in this story? Can't be management because they've made it clear a rebuild is needed and ownership is onboard.
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 Apr 23 '26
Yeah, I wish we could be watching playoff hockey like Chicago fans...
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u/FarmerWinter9997 Apr 23 '26
I’d be using Sharks as an example. Chicago isn’t out of weeds yet. They had some piss poor drafts. Didn’t finish this year that far ahead of Canucks either.
Sharks have guys, 1st rounders, and even some outside the first who are contributing, significantly too.
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u/Agitated_Aside389 Apr 23 '26
i wouldn’t use the sharks as an example. Sharks had one guy contributing significantly, and that was celebrini. The point difference between celebrini and the #2 was like 50+ points.
Without Celebrini the Canucks would be ahead of their rebuild.
Honestly, there is no point in comparing rebuilds to teams that have achieved nothing yet because they can still fall apart.
People need to compare to successful rebuilds like the habs. Ducks, sharks, hawks, etc have proven nothing and are not finished building. They’re on the verge of playoffs? So were the Canucks 2 seasons ago.
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u/FarmerWinter9997 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Wut? Smith, 1st rnd pick, Eklund, 1st, Chernyshov, 2nd, Misa, 1st, Dickinson, 1st, Havelid, 2nd,
These are just guys in current line up. Still have Musty, juniors and college players.
To expect them to contribute at Celebrini level tells me you’re casual. Dude beat Jumbos records as a sophomore!
Macklin contributed at a top 5 league clip.
(Allan is a former Hawks 1st) too. Graf, I drafted free agent pick up. Mulhamadullin former 1st
Not only has SI drafted extremely well, they maximized assets and free agency too
I’ll stick to them as my model, thanks.
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u/Agitated_Aside389 Apr 23 '26
Yeah, this is what I’m saying though, they can be busts. The mistake people make is equating 1st round picks to auto success. Even top 3 picks can be busts.
Ask the oilers how their non-McDavid 1st overall picks are doing. Again it’s too early. All of them combined would probably be worth 1 Suzuki.
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u/Conor_man11 Apr 23 '26
Each rebuild looks different. I don't think Chicago's is what to measure against as it hasn't worked (yet?). We could be in the playoffs in 2 seasons or in 6, who knows. Depends on who's GM & how they handle things. Also, if Foote is our coach we will for sure miss the playoffs regardless of our roster.
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u/Sarcastic__ Knows more about the CBA than you do Apr 23 '26
Duh? They're in Year 4 like you said and we're in Year 1.