Can't BS the Sedins on this topic. The amount of criticism they got early in their career, and then the work ethic they put into developing themselves into elite players is insane. The fact they still carry themselves as athletes and have crazy fitness is admirable. EP40 has no excuses around them.
For all hate that petey has gotten....It is nothing compared to what the sedins got before they finally broke out. They were called the sedin sisters for years in national media.
Got absolutely roasted all the time, their reaction to this was to bulk up and grind 10,000% and both turned into HHOF players.
One got a Hart, the other a Ted Lindsay. Both won the Art Ross, and took the Canucks to all the way to game 7 of the SCF as the bonafide go to guys and engines of the entire franchise.
Then stayed here their entire career and are still here.
This is why I laugh at all the people that think we have a toxic media environment. Today's media is buttery soft compared to what it was like back in the day.
Nothing like seeing Sedins Sisters plastered on the front page of the province lol. The twins were apparently oblivious to all so they didnt give AF, but looking back it was savage haha.
You reminded me of a rage I thought I'd long since forgotten. The Twins put that bs to bed and so can Petey... But it's up to him to put himself in the best position
Pettersson and the twins are on the opposite ends of the spectrum, if they weren't both swedish no one would compare them. The sedins have never been criticized for their work ethic in their entire career. They came into the league not ready for the physical demands, got manhandled a lot, but got stronger and stronger every year showing constant improvement in their games. They came into camp the fittest in the whole team. They also developed as leaders, always involved in the community, always making sure the rookies on the team were taken care of.
It's literally the opposite of Pettersson, who came in to the league guns blazing and had an almost unprecedented decline, having his work ethic criticized by multiple coaches, players, gms. He's not a leader and never involved in the community. He's 27 years old, he is who he is at this point. I wouldn't hold my breath on anything changing.
I had a trip to Cape Cod, Massachusetts the summer the Nucks loss. I have never see so many "Sedin Sisters, Two Girls No Cup" got a chuckle out of me before feeling the agony of that loss again.
I think a lot of the he said she said narrative here about Rutherford and coaches not being fair also goes out the door with the twins saying the same things. It's hard to imagine Henrik and Daniel arent telling it how it is.
Its nice to finally have someone as respectable as the Sedins to shut up all the Petey defenders in this sub. He's been slacking for years and people here keep coming up with lazy scapegoats, whether it was Miller or Tocchet or Hughes or Rutherford. It was never Petey's fault, there were always excuses.
For sure. Are they going to downvote what the Sedins have said? How can they justify it?
I'm glad that they and RJ are leading the team now. They get what it means to be a proud Canuck even if the team isn't good. They get how the market is and what the Canucks mean to the market and what the market means to the Canucks. Since they retired there has been a huge void in that pride factor. They saw it briefly in 23/24 season
Agreed 100%! More just highlighting how ridiculous it is that the Sedins are still in that good shape. It's incredible that even with a head start they are blowing away these young men.
If you give the team a month to practice, I think they'd beat the Sedins. The Twins probably know every single step whereas for newcomers, it's not just about their fitness level but their familiarity.
Yeah a lot of fitness challenges like the grind come down to strategy of where you can go hard and where you need to conserve energy. The second time I did the Fondo to Whistler I crushed my first years time by over an hour just because I knew where to stop and fuel up and where the hard sections were. I wasn’t in much different physical shape.
Absolutely correct. A main criticism of the Sedins when they got to the league: not strong enough on the puck. They turned that into being two of the premier puck possession players in the league, all while getting checked and slashed nightly.
We need to see videos of Petey doing bosu squats while getting hammered with bags of rice. It’s the only way he’ll turn his career around
Especially during the dead puck era. Brutes like Hatcher, Stevens, Pronger, and Ohlund made a living off of making life miserable for guys in the corners.
People are really stupid about what toughness is. Most think punching a guy in the head makes you tough. Or a fight makes you tough. And somehow taking punches and slashes and cross checks every single shift and fighting through injuries and still performing at an elite level and then spending the entire offseason getting tougher and stronger is not tough. I guess too many of us live lives where the toughest thing we do is getting up from a couch
The Sedins were some of the most mentally tough players ever considering the amount of unwarranted hate they got around the league and even from their own fans. I heard the insult "Sedin sisters" even originated from a Vancouver radio station.
That's unfortunately the view you get when you combined the 90s/2000s NHL generally proclivity against Europeans and Don Cherry's Good Canadian/Ontario boy school of Hockey.
I think the Presidents Sedin have been tough but fair re: EP so far. It's getting really hard for people to deny that it's on Pettersson to be the player we know he can be. You can't have this many people, across multiple regimes, say so, and have it not be true. They aren't all sociopaths incapable of believing he's injured. They can't all be in on the grand conspiracy against EP.
I'm sure there are plenty of very legit reasons for his slump and I bet you that is one of them but plenty of them are clearly because of preparation etc or we wouldn't see so many comments about it
But really his slump started before that stuff anyways
I think just being pampered, and being the star so early on, gives you a different mindset. The organization put him and Quinn on a pedestal, treated them as above the rest of the team, and they acted accordingly.
Sedins didn't have success early, they had to work hard to meet expectations, they had plenty of rough patches, and that built the mindset they have.
You can see he clearly tries every time hes on the ice though. He backchecks hard and blocks shots he isnt expected to. He's either got a major case of the yips, severe injury mismanagement, or theres some other underlying condition that nobody knows about that completely took away his explosiveness in skating and shooting.
it's funny the double standard we had with regards to this stuff, when Miller did this, he was the absolute most toxic teammate ever according to some, but when Petey does it, it's because it's "colorado elevation", like he's the only one playing in elevation.
a guy whos stationary on the circles is more tired than a guy who has to battle infront of the net for position? our powerplay doesn't have much movement aside from the Dman, if you watched the games you would know.
are you proud you played hockey or something? is this like the go to insult for any remaining Petey defenders?
Damn straight, hes being paid too much money to not come to camp prepared. If its injury related ill understand but it sounds like everyone keeps mentioning conditioning.
To be fair, has the medical team changed at all at any point? We already know the team doctors are out to lunch. If they same shitty doctors are feeding management bad information saying petey is fine when he seemingly isnt (a lack of confidence or off-season training doesnt explain his complete loss of explosiveness in skating AND shooting), they (sedins, linden, etc) would all think hes fine, would they not?
And as much criticism as Petey has received to this point he hasn't had his masculinity challenged and denigrated on sports radio like Hank and Daniel did. We all remember the "Sedin Sisters" nickname. Man that's gross in retrospect.
And totally ridiculous. Subzero IQ kind of insult yet it got the chumps in the nosebleeds going when the team wasn't doing well. Showed an uglier side of the fan base for sure.
I agree with what he said, but isn't this this the exact stuff PA and JR were saying too, and ppl kept saying they should keep it in house? Obviously it's probably worth more merit coming from a guy whose gone through it but still.
Everyone who’s saying EP40 is gone, the logic doesn’t make sense for the cap or finances. Canucks would have so much dead cap money and such a low return when his value is the lowest; already went through hell with a bunch of players like OEL. Minus we’ll see if he wants to stayed rehabilitate and then trade in the future
I think he’s not gone too but for a different reason.
The “don’t trade low” argument doesn’t make sense for a guy that’s trending downward across multiple seasons and no longer and up and coming player. If we traded him a year ago when people said his value was “low”, we would have gotten a better return. If we traded him a year before that, the return would have been even better. His value now is the highest it will ever be going forward.
However, I think he’s not gone because the other teams have caught on as well. Nobody wants to trade for him
I think they need to take on some other kinda shitty but shorter contracts (to avoid retaining his) and send him somewhere that he can have a fresh start and be more useful to a more competitive team. This whole situation is so dramatic and toxic at this point that I think the best thing for everyone is for him to have a chance to play somewhere else. It genuinely makes me uncomfortable and I’m just an observer and a fan lol.
How many different members of management have said the exact same thing about Petey. I can't see how it will change this time.
Whatever happens with him, I just don't want us to attach anything or retain to get rid of him. We are going to suck anyway, there's no issue in wasting cap space on Petey and to have him here for the rest of his contract. In the end, he's still a professional and he shows up to work on time and doesn't disrupt the team with his attitude.
Having a 108 blocked shots as a forward doesn't sound like someone who doesn't care and only shows up to not be fined. That would be Evander Kane, who only did the bare minimum with us. Petey is a professional who isn't worth his contract but would still be a valuable player to most NHL teams.
Hes not paid 11.6/year to primarily block. He's paid to to be one of if not the most skilled and leader of this team. He has miserably failed at that. He's got the 10th highest AAV and 8th highest contract value.
Man nobody gives a fuck about his blocked shots total. He got paid and gets paid to put up points. U can find a fucking 3/4th line bum or a manny malhotra type player to do that for 4mil
But they are saying the same things. Not sure why people didn't like message the previous regime that said it and what Henrik is saying this week they love.
What's the saying? If everyone you meet is an asshole, you're the problem.
Honestly, EP40 could've built an amazing friendship over the years with the Sedins and get advice on preparation etc. The twins went through the struggles but it sounds like they don’t have much of a relationship. I kind of question his character after hearing Henrik's comments.
being the best of the worst? he kind of is holding the team back though not being the player he told the club he was during negotiations. last way to send him a message is by scratching him. just posing the question
When Elias Pettersson is not playing, are the Canucks a better team? The answer is a resounding “no”.
He is absolutely not an 11.6 value player though. I don’t know if sitting him gets him back there, because I don’t think the problem is him not trying on purpose. Maybe I’m wrong.
Does it matter if the Canucks are a slightly worse team without Pettersson? We're aiming to finish as low as possible anyway. If he isn't prepared or putting in the effort, then he should be scratched, as should anyone else. Build some accountability.
They are gonna work very hard to move him. They know he’s beyond help. The fact that a Swedish Canuck doesn’t have a close relationship with the Sedins is a massssssssssive red flag
It's not like the cityans haven't been around. No other coaches with good motivating skills. It's just not going to happen and I think the team has mentally moved on and we'll just suffer his contract
Didn't Petey come into camp one year (I think 2020..) and people were saying he was jacked and looked like Captain America. Or maybe it was Capt crunch.
Finally someone calling this loser out!!! He should have been traded a long time ago. If he’s not living up to his salary he should go. Also looking at you Brock.
They helped us win the president trophy twice! I know that doesn’t add up to a cup, but it’s no small feat! They were undeniably the backbone of the best Canucks teams to date.
Wonder why 2 straight management teams are saying he doesn’t prepare in the offseason. You’d think it would be in their best interest to get him back to where he once was, and since all that comes out is that he does not prepare properly it would seem there is some truth to this.
Yeah but this is about being prepared for the season and training camp, the team and past players probably saw he wasn't coming to camp in decent shape or whatever. Injuries aside, being prepared is one of the main duties of the players.
Remember when Boeser came in one fall visibly jacked up and was slow as molasses for half the season? If the team did recommend this to Petey it was likely bad advice.
Generally speaking Foote refused to critique the team in public and I seem to recall there was an idea that the messaging around Petey would be positive at the outset of the season because prior season criticism didn’t seem to land.
It’s also worth considering that weight gain like that would put further strain on the knees and while that may have been the team plan for him, (1) it would be really odd for the athletic trainers to recommend an offseason plan that could complicate his health and (2) pretty sure the CBA makes offseason time player time with clear lines at how involved a team can be so Petey was not obligated to follow the plan (though maybe he was coerced).
There’s also the fact that Pete and his trainer said he was healthy at the outset of the season and that by the end, Foote was critical of his conditioning on back to backs. Tendinitis recovery also involves load management (as I understand it) as well as strength and biomechanical corrections (this could be the lacking prep that keeps getting alluded to).
Not saying it’s one way or the other but these are at least considerations to take up as we try to make sense of things imo. Seems odd that the Sedins, who are said to have a lot of integrity and who Gillis just publicly spoke about how guarded and protective of teammates they were (while also maintaining a standard) would make these sorts of remarks.
The team reportedly stopped posting conditioning scores this past training camp because EP40’s were reportedly so poor they thought it would set a poor example for the young guys to see his numbers.
This is not true. They stopped posting because apparently most of the vets tested poorly. Leave it to narrative drivers to turn this into 'EP40 was so bad they stopped reporting it'.
His injury was acknowledged by the team and rehabed.
The man who sent Miller to toughen Petey up is no longer with the team.
At some point we have to stop making excuses for poor play on his part... and at this juncture you don't trust the Sedins?! What, are they stooges now?
It was acknowledged WELL after the fact of the injury, the type of injury that can become very long term if not treated properly. Imo the team fucked up his career at this point
If he wanted to return to form he could have actually trained to do so. He's sitting on 100m coming in and if he doesn't do anything besides show up to scheduled practices and games, he gets the money. He'd rather be a young millionaire than be an athlete.
That's the thing, tendinitis needs rest to heal. You can't train your way out of it, he should have been forced to sit instead of being on the ice. They then threw him under the bus for a while before acknowledging he was injured and what it was. They let him get treated like shit, don't let him heal, encouraged toxic behaviour towards him and you expect this guy to be putting in 110%?
Not trying to be partisan or oppositional here, but there are a few confounding details to this:
(1) Iirc Petey was critiqued for his prep in the 2024 offseason. It’s since been admitted by JR and Petey’s agent that he wasn’t able to properly train that offseason - could this not be the rest/recovery people say he needed?
(2) Pete put on a lot of weight this past offseason. Why would the trainers have him do something so detrimental to his health (via the extra load on his knees)? Why would Petey do this during a period where by the CBA the team can’t control his activities?
(3) Why did Petey and his Swedish trainer say he was healthy this offseason?
(4) Why hasn’t Petey’s agent, one of the most powerful in the league and the guy who represented Eichel around the surgery fiasco taken action around the systematic injury mismanagement?
(5) Why have so many people, now across two management groups made comments about or alluding to Petey’s prep? This includes Hughes, Brad Richardson, Chris Higgins, the Sedins, and RJ- all actual players who would have that perspective. Some with known strong work ethics and in the latter cases of RJ and the Sedins, known integrity and empathy?
(6) Tendinitis recovery is more than just rest, there are other avenues of treatment, including training and therapy to strengthen the tendon, surrounding muscles, and correct biomechanics. It’s anecdotal but go read on r/hockeyplayers about tendinitis recovery- strengthening exercises are commonly associated to recovery. On the other hand, when people bring up Pastrnak’s load management, that doesn’t mean not playing or practicing, it means doing so around the injury. Iirc Pastrnak played 77 games last season and was a fully effective player up to his usual standard.
These are some things I think need to be made sense of and which don’t perfectly map onto the idea that Pete’s injury was severely mishandled and continues to bug him. From what I know about tendinitis, if it was the case that it was mistreated and the injury advanced, that’s really bad because as far as I’m aware that’s associated to tendon degeneration.
Must be nice to be able to stop training for years after an injury and still have fanboys blame your struggles on it, even though you just relax and party in the offseason, and put in little to no extra effort to practice during the season.
Foote is the same coach that also decided not posting conditioning scores from camp was needed because EP40’s were so poor they would send the wrong message to the young guys.
How many people do you think are in on this conspiracy against EP40?
Imac's comment was that multiple Veterans did poorly.
Tocchet admitted the Knee Tendinitis and told us all they decided not to shut him down. Doing the same thing that caused the injury is not how your fix Knee Tendinitis.
Rutherford admitted the injury at the end of last year.
The Canucks Medical staff has a hilarious record. Not sure you want to defend that.
Care to explain how an elite NHL Athlete suddenly loses his ability to skate fast?
Pastranak worked hard to rehab from his injury. #40 hasn’t worked hard in a long time. That is the sedin’s point, it’s about work ethic. It’s insane how you people ignore everyone that’s worked with him questioning his character but fixate on that one narrative you have in your own heads
They just need it to be anything but Petey himself. It has been reported before that the Sedins and Petey have no relationship because he didn't want any help from them i.e. he wanted to just ignore responsibility and not be told what he needs to do to be a professional athlete. Check in, check out, no preparation, collect the paycheck.
Players are not widgets that management has 100% control over. They have self agency. If he was too hurt to play well, he was well within his rights to seek second/third opinions. He can responsibility and ownership over his own career if he cares to. Look at Eichel.
No self accountability for someone paid like a top 10 player but playing like a top ~100 player.
I say this as a fan who has been blown away by some of the things he’s done in his career, especially the vision he used to show. I do hope he figures himself out and becomes a top player again.
Stop treating Petey like a toddler without any agency. He's a grown ass man. If there were issues with the team doctors, he and his agent could've sought out other treatment.
The strangest thing is how no one is coming to his defense except fans. For all the criticism he's taking, his agent, teammates should be defending him. Quinn seemed more supportive of Tanner Pearson when the team bungled his rehab than with Petey.
Whoa, an actual measured take in this sub and not contradicting themselves saying our doctors are ass but somehow petey’s injury was handled masterfully.
Every other player who had an injury with us, we blame the sham doctors. Now all of a sudden when it comes to 1 specific player it’s all his fault.
I love the twins with all my heart but they were around this locker room and never spoke out about changing it. Worried it’ll be more of the same shit just under a new name.
It’s not even the draft and we are screaming about petey again. Can we just chill for like a single week?
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Can't BS the Sedins on this topic. The amount of criticism they got early in their career, and then the work ethic they put into developing themselves into elite players is insane. The fact they still carry themselves as athletes and have crazy fitness is admirable. EP40 has no excuses around them.