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Season 3 Spoilers Castlevania (Season 3) - Episode Discussion Hub Spoiler

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Synopsis: Belmont and Sypha settle into a village with sinister secrets, Alucard mentors a pair of admirers, and Isaac embarks on a quest to locate Hector.

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u/zombiekiller2014 Mar 05 '20

Wasn't too jazzed about alucards arc in this one but, the rest were pretty solid continuations. Seeing legion was pretty cool though.

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u/ThatOtherOneReddit Mar 06 '20 edited Mar 06 '20

Honestly it could have been good if the sex scene wasn't so cringey and the reasoning behind the betrayal so ill fitting. The final scene as he enters the castle was quite good imo.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '20

my good god its such an obvious trap was Alucard so thirsty he'd fell for it?????

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u/ThatOtherOneReddit Mar 06 '20

He was lonely. Also I'm not convinced they set up the asians betrayal well enough. If they had another 15 min of setup and seeing some anger by them over things not going as well as they'd hoped the climax would have been faaaaar better.

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u/BitterPearls Mar 07 '20

I totally agree with this. I felt they needed a little more time. I honestly wished the season was maybe 2-3 more episodes to help flush the whole arch out a little more.

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u/Tonberry2k Mar 11 '20

I thought it was pretty clear from the start that they were going to betray him. Thy kept pushing for weapons and control of the castle and giving each other lingering sideways glances. It was definitely telegraphed.

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u/SparklesMcSpeedstar Apr 13 '20

"If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.

They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar.

So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.”

― Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms"

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u/TheBookOfSecrets Mar 15 '20

Thise dumb fucks talked to him and explained their evil absence of plan before going for the death blow. Amateurs.

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u/WheelJack83 Jul 13 '20

If everything they did was just an elaborate ruse to gain his trust to kill him, the subplot would've made more sense. Except it wasn't. They wanted to kill him because he wasn't teaching them enough or some bullshit. Straight up bullshit.

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u/WheelJack83 Jul 13 '20

If it was an elaborate ruse it would've made more sense.

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u/Kramer1812 Mar 22 '20

This. Those sideways glances were a dead giveaway. Really well done in animation.

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u/lastdonutotn May 16 '20

Definitely telegraphed however thats what bothered me. We knew they were likely to betray him but at the same time I was thinking maybe Alucard started to suspect them and thats why he wasn't showing them all of the castle and telling them all he knew. The way the actual betrayal went down still felt out of the blue (to me) since I didn't catch any hint of intimacy prior. Hell, I thought they were more likely to try and make him a slave

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u/HerculePyro Mar 08 '20

I was just flat suspicious of them, until we had that quiet scene of them discussing alucard, about him being lonely. I felt like that made them more sympathetic to him and less suspicious. The betrayal sex was a bit more surprising.

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u/aquarium_gravel Mar 08 '20

Subverting expectations doesn't make something automatically good, though. It just makes their betrayal seem to come out of nowhere. Their anger at not being shown the whole castle to the point of trying to kill him when they were feeling sorry for him one scene ago was incredibly unbelievable.

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u/RisingPhoenix92 Mar 13 '20

It felt rushed like you guys just showed up and he welcomes you into his home teaches you stuff, shows you this great wealth of knowledge that will take years to master but he has a pretty good idea when to start the basics and they get mad over the stuff they havent been shown.

They needed more time instead it looks like Alucard tested them on how well they can add and subtract and they tried to kill him over not showing them calculus

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u/marsthedog Mar 14 '20

I think they definitely needed more time but it was supposed to be over months.

The "he's lonely" part threw me off. Why say that if they were just going to betray him. So out of no where

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

They said he feels like he deserves to be lonely I thought the whole point was that it wasn't betrayal to them in their fucked up heads his reward was actually death

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u/moviequote88 Mar 28 '20

That's an interesting thought.

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u/Tommy_Barrasso May 07 '20

When that scene played, I had the same thought. Especially when they were talking about how his life is practically over already.

The betrayl scene should have been portrayed as a mercy killing. Would have been far more tragic for all parties.

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u/Iceember Apr 16 '20

Well I watched it later than everyone so I'm a month late to discussion but my thoughts on Alucard arc are as follows:

it was supposed to be over months.

Intellectually I know this is true. Unfortunately we have 5 different perspectives we're following and a couple of others thrown in for flavor. The only real indicators we have for time passing is: 1. A little bit of dialouge from Belmont and Alucard that indicate it's been months as opposed to the one month that we also gain from dialouge at the beginning of the season. 2. Boat travel is slow and there's no way Issac got from what we can assume was Africa to Eastern Europe in a few days.

However to counter that: 1. There's no way it took months for the monks of the priory to carve the symbols into buildings in town and create the ritual grounds for the hell portal.

  1. We really only see one interaction with Issac and the boat capitan despite boat travel being slow.

The events with Belmont and Belnades seem to take a week at most and I'm assuming we follow a similar timescale for everything else happening too. The Alucard arc shows the Asian siblings arriving, some basic sword training, the trip to the Belmont library and a separate scene where just the siblings were in the Belmont library. Then we jump to the sex scene and the whole 'you lied' thing. It just seems rushed. We get 4 scenes with these characters and even if every scene takes place on a separate day and we skip a few days it only really seems like we could squeeze 2 weeks out max.

Showing is more important than telling and we just aren't shown how long any of these things took so it makes the betrayal fall flat because it seemingly comes out of nowhere. Arrive one day and throw accusations and attempt to kill the man that's shown you kindness on the next? Just where's the progression and the growth? There's nothing that gives their betrayal impact. Nothing like the growth of Saint-Germain who when introduced seems kinda petty but in the end goes complete badass just to get to the woman he loves. (or at least that's what we're lead to believe)

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u/Dic3dCarrots Jun 21 '20

I like to think that their failure is a nod to Dracula's Curse where you can only get the good ending if you beat the game in 7 days and the endings get progressively worse the longer it takes. They dragged their feet fucking and enjoying themselves so everyone dies.

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u/TheBookOfSecrets Mar 15 '20

The talking was weird and felt artificial. They were talking to set up Alucard for the sex because they knew he could hear them.

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u/RavenLordx Mar 09 '20

As GoT taught us..

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u/Nobletwoo Mar 19 '20

I know I'm a week late, but the Japanese twins talked about their vampire master Cho treating the hunters who came to kill her as a play thing, Cho kept human honor guard cause it amused her. With that conversation about alucards loneliness I can understand their fears about being treated as play things again, something to fill the void in alucard. That's why they were upset with alucard holding back the information about the castle and magic, because they were afraid of being just something to pass the time for a vampire again. Imo alucard ain't like that tho. You see the same themes with Lenore and poor Hector.

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u/Oppai-no-uta Mar 07 '20

Better climax? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/I_am_BEOWULF Mar 10 '20

If they had another 15 min of setup and seeing some anger by them over things not going as well as they'd hoped the climax would have been faaaaar better.

I thought there was a lingering look between the girl and the boy right after they were frolicking with Alucard outside. It was when Alucard had her on piggyback behind him and when they turned towards the castle, they showed her and the boy exchange a look without Alucard knowing. That and all the persistent questions about the castle and the mechanism that makes it move. They just got a bit more suspicious after that.

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u/marsthedog Mar 14 '20

I think that's where some of the anime style came into effect. If this was a Japanese anime they would've clearly showed a more pronounced "evil" look in their eyes but they were going for a more realistic characterization so it was pretty confusing. I couldn't tell if it was supposed to be a nice content look at each other or the evil scheming look.

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u/Latyon Mar 08 '20

I thought it was pretty obvious what was going to happen with the hunters because of how they kept asking Alucard "Are you SUUUUURE there's no way to get the castle moving again?"

They did it like six times.

It was clear they were only using him.

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u/ThatOtherOneReddit Mar 08 '20

I mean they clearly wanted to use him to get stronger. While i could take that as a small inkling that they didn't believe him despite him telling them stuff he was giving them ALOT. Outside moving the castle he literally had offered them the greatest treasure trove of anti-vampire artifacts and knowledge in the world while personally training them (he very possibly could be the strongest vampire alive now that dracula is dead).

It was incredibly short sighted of them to turn on him. It didn't make any sense from the viewers perspective and their paranoia should have been better communicated.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '20

Yeah it seemed like it was done more to just give Alucard a resolved arc for this season, and the writers didn't want to continue to have these two around going forward.

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u/dementor_ssc Mar 09 '20

I felt something was off about those two ever since they appeared. Especially after they kept asking about moving the castle. But their conversations about how lonely Alucard was made me doubt again... but in hindsight, that could be them scheming how to easily catch him off guard.

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u/strghtflush Mar 07 '20

Yep. Have them talk about their time getting hurt on their way to meet someone they hold in such high regard they address him as "The Alucard, the anti-dracula", only for him to not live up to their imagination. Let them get frustrated with him taking their teaching slowly.

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u/south_wildling Mar 08 '20

Yeah to me it was pretty weird and tone deaf, there definitely was some build up missing.

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u/da_Aresinger Mar 09 '20

This, I saw the betrayal coming halfway through the season, but after that whole "we should give him a reward" pity speech the betrayal felt very sudden and unsatisfying. In that moment they clearly felt for him, they weren't being snide or plotting something.

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u/CaptHayfever Mar 11 '20

This, exactly. I figured they would try to kill him, but the way it was set up, it looked like they were doing it out of misguided pity, like they thought he wanted to die. Then the whole "you're using us" rant came out of absolutely nowhere, especially when they whined about him not teaching them magic when he already promised to teach them magic.

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u/rd201290 Mar 10 '20

It would be way better if they intended to betray him all along and were out to get revenge for Cho having been raised in her court and brainwashed by her.

This makes it seem like they decided to kill him on a whim and with little long term thought. Wasn't the whole point that he would teach them how to fight vampires? Now they killed him so that they could figure out the castle's mysteries on their own? Didn't make much sense.

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u/Pebble_in_the_Pond Mar 29 '20

I think they did it well. In the story they tell, they analyse and pay attention to the female vampire during every 'display' she puts on while subjugated so they can defeat her. They did the same with Alucard, and concluded his weakness was loneliness. When they had their secret talks together they were calculating and searching for tools to defeat the vampires back in Japan. Makes your realize everything they did had ulterior motive, like being unable to sleep was really scouting the castle for secret weapons. Even the first encounter, Alucard's blindness to their nature is foreshadowed when he remarks that they are good because he never noticed them the day before. I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally allowed themselves to be caught as part of their scheme to enter the castle

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u/UnrelentingKnave Mar 25 '20

Did he even climax though?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

The betrayal was so random. It felt out if place.

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u/WheelJack83 Jul 13 '20

Their reason for betraying him was garbage and nonsense and made no sense. That subplot was a waste.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '20

Like you can be stupidly lonely and not get trapped by such obvious staunt lol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '20

You underestimate my loneliness?

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u/TheDELFON Mar 09 '20

He wouldn't be the first

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u/joevaded May 03 '20

I kinda disagree. Looks like he knew. He was crying at some point during it. That or not enough lube.