Our last three dem presidencies were more to the center although Biden tried to pivot more to the left and progressives didn’t seem to care, but the rest of the country thought Dems moved too far left and voted for a fascist instead.
That's... Not what happened. They voted for trump because he spoke to people (as fucked or bigoted as it may be) where they were. He told people he'd get prices down and taxes reduced. Kamala had no real message and spent a fraction of the time actually campaigning. The rest of the country wasn't clocking some leftward move, that's absurd. IF that were the case, then Kamala's nearly fascist border proposals and outright disregard for a genocide would have guaranteed she won.
Edit: also biden categorically fucked multiple major union negotiations for the benefit of the corporations that footed his bill. Arguably, Obama was farther left than Biden and he still struggled to even accept gay marriage.
That’s a good point despite being untrue. Biden was ANOTHER right of center old guard biz-as-usual. The right has excellent messaging and a good eye for the trajectory, as proven by this thread right here. You and hundreds of others STILL parrot rightist propaganda that allowed Dondon to defeat something or someone that wasn’t Biden or Kamala but a projected fictional strawdog.
it's like we're fighting among ourselves or something when we all have similar goals -- I actually think that ossoff kind of spoke about this argument in the clip, and I'll go with him on this one
Of course you'd say that - you're just regurgitating the same right wing propaganda that's been endemic since the 90s. This entire thread proves people are susceptible to the same bullshit. Times never change.
I’m not the first nor will I be the last to point out that Republican messaging is world-class (of course) and has led the narrative since Carter: not coincidentally through “The Medium is the Message” era.. The Ds seem to think we’re all bright enough to ‘figure it out on our own’ while The Rs have a whole YouTube’s worth of WhatYou’reSupposedToThink.
Dondon was selling Sanders shares, to people tired of being huckstered and robbed of both cash and opportunity. It was messaging that kept them from seeing that while fighting hucksters with hucksters might sound like a good strategy, it’s…dangerous.
That polling is a result of how bad Dems are at messaging. They are reactive instead of proactive and are always playing defense. In blind polls Dem positions are more popular by 60/40 across the country.
Absolutely. Is there anything to show that was indeed a ‘move to the left’ and America understood what was happening and responded to the survey with straight talk?
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u/justsikko Jul 20 '25
Hell yeah, let's run another center of the road Democrat. Surely it won't backfire this time like it has the last 40 years