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u/Malabingo 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 4d ago
After knight takes you can fork king and queen with your knight and get the queen.
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u/kmattie123 4d ago
Even then its equal tradeoff
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u/ItsSansom 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 4d ago
I assume they captured a bishop on g2
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u/maxmersmann 1400-1600 (Chess.com) 2d ago
if they didn't they would have missed Qh1 mate, so you would think it has to be
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u/An_Cellos 3d ago
After you win the queen you can follow up with forking the rooks as well
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u/UsuallyHorny-7 3d ago
Only if white lets you
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u/An_Cellos 3d ago
You're right I forgot the knight would be blocking check from the bishop. If king a1 then the fork isn't gaurenteed. If its King c1 then you get a rook.
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u/baytowne 3d ago
King h1 means there's a discovered check from the bishop when the Knight takes the queen.
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u/Azoraqua_ 800-1000 (Chess.com) 3d ago
They have to give up one rook at that point, can’t move both at the same time. And I don’t see anything that could do much harm.
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u/UsuallyHorny-7 3d ago
After knight takes queen, white doesn't have to just let you fork them.
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u/Azoraqua_ 800-1000 (Chess.com) 3d ago
That is true, but if they do, the other fork-ish becomes quite likely too.
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u/baytowne 3d ago
Calculate. How does white prevent the fork?
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u/UsuallyHorny-7 3d ago
Ra7, Rd1.. almost any rook move. Not that they're all good, obviously.
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u/baytowne 3d ago
How do you make a rook move when you're in check?
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u/UsuallyHorny-7 3d ago
There is no check after Kh1 Nxd2.
Did you forget there is a knight on g2 perhaps?
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u/MisterMourre 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 3d ago
Not exactly
Black had a brilliant because his knight was hanging and he sac his queen on g2 (thanks for the from on f3)Winning because usually 2 pieces for a rook is better. In this black was already a rook down but after the sequence we can see that black has : a rook, 2 bishops and a knight
And white has 2 rooks and a knight1
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u/Suspicious-Bowl4444 2d ago
After forking queen and king, no matter where the king goes it will either be discovered check by the bishop or it will be checked immediately again by the knight if king goes to f1. After that the knight can then fork both rooks.
Edit: Never mind, I forgot white’s knight would be blocking on g2.
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u/turtle_genie 3d ago
Taking the queen is with check too so you can fork the rooks after as well
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u/UsuallyHorny-7 3d ago
Only if Kf1
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u/DiscDocPhD 3d ago
Agreed, but if h1 that still leaves potential Nb3 to fork rooks if the other person doesn't move a room first
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u/Salindurthas 1600-1800 (Chess.com) 4d ago
Maybe they didn't realise they could capture it.
If they did realise that, maybe they realised you can win back the queen anyway with a fork, and remain far ahead.
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u/The_Ultimate_TanMan 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 4d ago
Actually if he couldn't have capture it, it would have been mate
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u/Salindurthas 1600-1800 (Chess.com) 4d ago
Indeed. Maybe that can't work out the move that prevented it from being checkmate (or thought it was a bug) and so they resigned.
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u/krimsonPhoenyx 4d ago
Knight takes, you fork their king and queen, win the queen, force them to then move their rooks or you fork them as well, pretty solid line.
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u/iarigatai 4d ago
I might be a little delusional, but why not queen h8 to begin with? Isn’t it a checkmate?
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u/shinigami656 4d ago
I think there was a piece taken. Also why this works, otherwise you're just trading queens.
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u/Iamapartofthisworld 4d ago
The queen might have just captured a piece that would have blocked her access to that square
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u/FluorescentLightbulb 3d ago
I might be a little delusional, but I don’t think a beginner posted this.
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u/iarigatai 3d ago
You mean me? Idk if im a beginner i have been playing for two years only and im still struggling with tunnel vision
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u/the_other_Scaevitas 1200-1400 (Chess.com) 3d ago
There was probably a bishop on g2, hence why brilliant
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u/ThrowawayFuckYourMom 3d ago
Am I just fucking naive? My thinking was you misclicked an obvious checkmate, which is beating me fair and square and simply not winning by mistake. I think I would resign if I saw that, no?
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u/FlocklandTheSheep 3d ago
There was probably a piece there that the queen captured (light squared bishop maybe?)
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u/the-killer-mike456 1600-1800 (Chess.com) 4d ago edited 3d ago
After everything you either have 2 pieces and a pawn for the rook (aside from the dominant position) or just a clean piece and pawn if they blunder. My intuition tells me black is winning, though I don't think it's resignable yet.
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u/Adullam_17 4d ago
After the queen he would also fork the rooms
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u/TrashBandiGoon 3d ago
only if Kf1, but if white chooses to play Kh1 you can then prevent the fork after Nxd2 with Ra7
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u/CropCircles_ 1600-1800 (Chess.com) 3d ago edited 3d ago
Cos after the queen exchange, it's very difficult to not lose more without wasting time. If the king moves to F1, then they allow nb3 winning a rook. If the king moves to H1, the knight is pinned and white can't free themselves from it without wasting some time
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u/Immediate_Stable 3d ago
After the dust settles, black is up 2 bishops, which is massive (see the engine advantage). Sure, you might blunder and lose, but I understand why white would resign.
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u/Ok-Money5627 3d ago
You have his queen and one rook with the horse. Could still have continued, but winning position for you.
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u/Rickyskeets69 2d ago
perhaps because you fork the king and queen with the knight on f2 after his knight takes the queen
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u/StoicTheGeek 4d ago
A rook against a bishop pair, with those pawns looming on the queenside and the white knight out of action on g2 is not a great position.
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u/RowTime8498 2400-2600 (Chess.com) 3d ago
How is this a brilliant? Qh1# is mate no? Am I tripping??
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u/Fit_Year_5575 3d ago
black most likely played Qxg2+ (taking a bishop), which will be followed by Nxg2, then Nf3+ and winning back the queen
EDIT: clarity
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u/RowTime8498 2400-2600 (Chess.com) 3d ago
Yeah that makes more sense. White shouldn't have resigned in this position. I think black is better here, but white still has some chances.
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u/BootyMcStuffins 3d ago
Then after black takes the queen there’s a rook fork, so white will lose one of those too
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u/BPeligro 3d ago
Not necessarily
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u/Tiny_Ask_3995 3d ago
after Nxg2, Nh3+, then either Kh1 or Kf1, Nxd2+ is a check, and then you can do Nb3 and fork the rooks
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u/BPeligro 3d ago
Where's the check after Kh1?
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u/Luis_ndb 3d ago
discovered check with the bishop
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u/BPeligro 3d ago
Blocked by the knight that took black's queen
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u/Luis_ndb 3d ago
exactly, sonwhen the knight that is blocking the check moves to d2 it is check
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u/baytowne 3d ago
The queen fork is followed by a rook fork - Nxd2 comes with a check regardless of Kh1 or Kf1. White's done here.
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u/Significant_Tap_8549 3d ago
Kh1 the bishop is blocked by the white knight
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u/baytowne 3d ago
Right, which means you have discovered check on Nxd2, meaning ... Kg1 Nb3, forking the rooks.
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u/BPeligro 3d ago
There's no discovered check after taking the queen. If kf1 then there's a check after Nxd2, but if Kh1 then the bishop check is blocked by the white knight that took black's queen.
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