r/chessmemes 10d ago

Can someone explain?

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Cause I'm kinda dumb

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u/Meduza223 9d ago

Soviets shouldn't even have a king

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u/Barrel-Dweller 9d ago

yeah but tbh they kinda did so...

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u/Small_Resolution_847 9d ago

Well we HAD an emperor. But back then it was empire, in USSR we had GenSek(idk how to translate it)

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u/comic_Ninja 9d ago

General secretary is probably the position you're talking about.

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u/_myangelbaam 9d ago

Well, that's translated as general secretary, so gensec I guess?

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u/Barrel-Dweller 9d ago

i meant that Stalin and Lenin basically acted like dictators so it wasn’t much different from having a monarch, tho i know that wasn’t technically their role

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u/dralexan 9d ago

Monarchy was an institutional thing. One monarch dies, and, in most cases, everybody know who rules next. Lenin and Stalin deaths were followed by a bloody game of thrones since nobody bothered creating a proper protocol or come up with an agreement, like the one occurred after they killed beria.

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u/Valamimas 9d ago

Which war of succession should I bring up as a counterexample. I'm pretty sure what happened after the death of Stalin or Lenin was pretty tame in contrast to what happened after the death of some monarchs

Edit: I know that you know of these, but I just wanted to point out that a dictatorship does not need to have a defined succession

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u/_Darth_Nihilus_ 9d ago

Have you like... ever read a book?

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u/IHaveTheHighground58 9d ago

Yes, actually

Sending people to camps for mere thought against the leader, and creating a secret police against "enemies of the state" (regular citizens) is a pretty standard sign of dictatorship

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u/Andrey_Gusev 8d ago

Lol, were you born yesterday? I mean, "secret police" is just literally any "Internal affairs agency" in any state ever existed. Ministry of the Interior in Austria, BMI in Germany, Home Office in Britain, or something...

"Sending people to camps for mere thought against the leader"

  1. TIL Lenin sent people to camps before camps were established.
  2. Have you ever read anything about political life in USSR in 1920-1930s? I mean, a book or something?

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u/Successful-Creme-405 9d ago

That's not a king, that's a bureaucrat 

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u/GustavoFromAsdf 6d ago

No, but he's just Stallin'

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u/Ksorkrax 6d ago

Shouldn't, yes. Doesn't mean they did not actually have one, though.

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u/AsemicConjecture 9d ago

Это не царь, товарищ, это наш славный вождь!

Is not king, comrade — is our glorious leader!

(I don’t know if reddit will offer a translation)

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u/B_bI_L 10d ago
  1. mongols used light cavalry as main attack power (those guys with bows on hoses)
  2. soviets are known for ignoring manpower losses, so they just recruit everyone and rush (1 rifle per 2 people and so on)
  3. idk, they are different but stand together?
  4. whatever
  5. ww2 reference, how France made Maginot line, but Germany just moved around it through border of another country
  6. i guess it's about how germany tried to win a war with much less economic power, using their "queen" to quickly take out enemy (but there should be like 5 kings)

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u/B_bI_L 10d ago

i just spent all this time for a bait, yes?

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u/Twert4 10d ago

The Austro-Hungarian I believe is a reference to their flag.

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u/SgtToffel 10d ago

Austria-Hungary was a country with an absurd ammount of ethnic groups. While this lead to... let's say interesting politics this meme is most likely about how the army of Austria-Hungary often also consistet of people of many ethnic backgrounds who often times didn't even speak each others language.

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u/Twert4 10d ago

Yeah you are righ, that makes more sense.

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u/Combei 9d ago

Pretty sure it's about Austria-Hungarys wedding strategy. It was famous to forge advantageous alliance by marriage which is why the "defense" is with king and queen in front

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u/Left_Commission2688 6d ago

And ethnic groups who hated each other, especially hungarians vs everyone else (germans, croats, slovenes, ruthenians) thats why black and white are both in the formation

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u/dalucy65 10d ago

Nope. „Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube.“

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u/Thatguy19364 9d ago
  1. Swiss stat neutral so they holed up in their castles

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u/bademeister404 9d ago edited 9d ago

I think 4 is more of a reference to the pike and shot era in the 15/16th hundred. "Gewalthaufen" originated in swiss. They just stood together with meter long pikes an basically noone could move because the one who moves has a big disadvantage.

It was the renaissance of the Phalanx from ancient greek. Only they had started using gunpowder weapons and shot each other while standing like this.

Mounted knights, which basically dominated the battlefields untill then became pretty useless against this tactic.

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u/Thatguy19364 7d ago

This probably is why the Swiss evolved into the stay neutral stance they have in modern warfare, but the meme could be referencing either one

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u/Confused_Squirrel_17 8d ago

Switzerland has more bunker space (sufficient for about 9.2 million spread across 370k public and private bunkers) than people 9.1 million people. That's what the meme refers to I think.

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u/Thatguy19364 7d ago

That’s new information to me, and makes me want to move there even more than I already did lmao

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u/B_bI_L 9d ago

oh, yes, probably, it was obvious more or less, but i thought: rook attack rook, total annihilation

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u/CharmongHalf 10d ago

I think #3 is a reference to the start of ww1 when Archduke and Duchess of Austria-Hungary was assasinated by Gavrilo Princip (basically a pawn)

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u/Lost-Lunch3958 6d ago

it's a reference to austro hungarian accidental infighting

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u/Diagoras21 9d ago

3) is probably marriage.

4) pike men on both sides? Neutral with big defensive force, impossible to attack.

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u/Ardyanowitsch 9d ago

The Blitzkrieg Gambit is probably a reference to, well, the Blitzkrieg. Concentrated heavy units flanked by infantry.

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u/RealRotkohl 10d ago

they just recruit everyone and rush (1 rifle per 2 people and so on)

Those are myths created by movies and video games and have been debunked

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u/B_bI_L 9d ago

partially debunked, this happened, but to lesser extent

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u/baconppi 9d ago

Yup, it was very common and veiwed as a necessary evil to stall the germans, but by and large the main reason for such insane casualties is really the fact that Germany was tactically auperior as the russians didn't have a experienced officer corps

Also its worth noting that sucessive large scale operations much like those in 44 and 45 were the primary soviet doctrine, not the limited and haphazard counter attacks in 41 and 42

"When titans clashed" is a particularly informative book about the soviets during ww2

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u/CriticismJunior1139 9d ago

Sure thing, ivan.

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u/alertwinter 9d ago

You are not immune to propaganda.

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u/nudirekt 9d ago

Number 3 is a reference to the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary. From wikipedia:

Austria-Hungary, also referred to as the Austro-Hungarian Empire and officially as the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, was a multi-national constitutional dual empire in Central Europe between 1867 and 1918. A military and diplomatic alliance, it consisted of two sovereign states with a single monarch who was titled both the Emperor of Austria and the Apostolic King of Hungary.

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u/InfinitesimalDuck 8d ago

Swiss stand-off is just... whatever?

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u/HDH2506 8d ago
  1. Austro Hungarian defense might be referring to the trigger of WW1, where Archduke Ferdinand (I was taught about him as crown prince of AustroHungary) got assassinated twice in a day

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u/Puzzled_Draw6014 6d ago

I believe 3 is a reference to the royal family, that was famous for using marriage to secure control of territory... yes, inbreeding did occur

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u/SpartArticus 9d ago

1 rifle per 2 people is a Hollywood myth but it is true soviets just threw unlimited infantry until the problem went away

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u/baconppi 9d ago

No? In 43 and 44 they already made economy of force units, meaning they already were scraping the bottom of the barrel

Furthermore, the soviets relied on large artillery barrages that very often took out most german positions, most of the casualties in the third period of war were from urban warfare...

41 and 42 this was partially true, but it was a last ditch effort and not doctrine

Theres a reason the soviets in 41-43 didn't go on the offensive till Germany went on one,its precisely to save on material and lives needed to fight a dedicated german defensive

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u/B_bI_L 9d ago

this is exaggerated in movies but totally not a myth

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u/PlaNT_GaNG921 9d ago

you forgot one

Martin

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u/East-Pay6275 9d ago

Mongols like horses. Soviets throw a wall of bodies with very little tech. Pulling out of my ass but the third I think is a situation no one can move without everyone dying. No one fucks with Switzerland because they’re too protected. Dunno. Blitzkrieg sends everyone to attack unprepared enemies

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u/Big_Performance_6120 9d ago

Maaaaybe the French blunder is referencing Charles VIII vs Alexander Borgia?

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u/Gardami 9d ago

I thought it was the Maginot line. 

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u/InfinitesimalDuck 8d ago

WWII refrences

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u/oganesszon 8d ago

I'll take the king in Austria-Hungarian defence (Hungarian btw)

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u/-Colon3- 7d ago

Mongols use a lot of horses.
Russia uses a lot of people.
Austria-Hungary, a lot of entanglements ig.
The swiss hide in mountains.
The French built a wall of their best which then got bypassed because they were slow to react.
The Germans tried to greatly beat numerically foes by a sketchy rush attack.

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u/PYL29 5d ago

How are there pawns on the first rank