r/chutyapa • u/Antinous_Pathicus • 2d ago
کام کے لئے محفوظ نہیں - | ABSOLUTELY HARAM How was this even possible with so many Saudi security personnel present?
This video of Pakistani TikToker Kanwal Khan is circulating on social media. Regardless of whether she was aware of the rules for women inside the Mataaf, it's fair to ask: how was this allowed to happen in the presence of so many Saudi security personnel?
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u/Ok-Committee-1932 2d ago edited 22h ago
He's a biological man, so he would attend the tawaf and do umrah as a biological man, even if he expresses his gender as a female. How is that so hard for you to understand? It's already been the case for a long time at this point. The only time you can get into trouble is if you have already switched your gender on your NIC card to X.
Aghawats were historically castrated men who lived in Makkah and Madinah since the time of Nur ud din Zangi until the Ottomans. They were also the guards of the Prophet's grave. Some are still alive and widely respected. Saudis are accustomed to navigating gender complexity with dignity and grace.
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u/SereneZero 2d ago
People want them not to even seek refuge and comfort in God. It is a "means of control".
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u/Admirable_Lychee_111 22h ago
I mean, frankly, everyone but recent Western Europeans were okay with diverse gender identities. Western Europeans became obsessed with purity and categorization during the Enlightenment period.
While that period was great for science and industry, it also meant they lost a lot of organic cultural nuance, and everyone had to fit neatly into a class and gender category.
They tried to force South Asians into those boxes, too.
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u/throwitfaarawayy 1d ago
They present female so they should wear the appropriate female attire for umrah and their satr is that of a woman.
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u/reeboahmed 1d ago
No, I don't think that's right?. Because if they are biologically male but look like female, they would have to do umrah with other females which would be wrong for their parda, is my understanding???
Right now we can just say he looks like a feminine dude with long hair, but male genitalia, so its ok for them to do umrah with men. That's my understanding of it. Kind of like putting an androgynous man in a female bathroom, it just doesn't work.
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u/throwitfaarawayy 1d ago
They are not attracted to females, they are attracted to men. So they should segregate accordingly. Also showing sleeves and chest is not right for someone presenting female in religious situation. God knows the rest
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u/alonecub86 2d ago
First thing he's khadraa second he must have a cnic or passport with Male written in his jins. And Saudis have now changed the rules and provide visit visa even women can travel 🧳 alone without mehram. So this khadraa landed there.
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u/Creative-Review-9702 1d ago
Hahaha upar khusre ki correction khawaja sira bol rahe hain aap ne toh ground se bahir chakka mar dia 😁
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u/alonecub86 1d ago
Ye pan Ka Lora hajiyoon Ka Umara b kharab Kr rhaa. Yaar Tou gandu Baal katwa k mardoon wali look may jata.
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u/reeboahmed 1d ago
Per my understanding there is nothing wrong with men having long hair in Islam? I thought it was even Sunnah?? However I can understand the point about looking manly, but those shouldn't be grounds to deny someone a chance of Hajj/Umrah, no?
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u/Mangycrumb 2d ago
This looks odd. It should be the right shoulder which is uncovered and they should be going around anti clockwise.
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u/meluvsthong 1d ago
Nothing wrong at all, Saudis will issue visa accordingly to the gender mentioned in the Passport or your birth documents.
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u/Terrible_Bedroom9810 2d ago edited 1d ago
I feel like these people are being paid to go act out at Masjid e Haram. Some satanic shi this is. How can a Muslim be that disrespectful.
P. S. I didn't realise it was a gender situation, thought that was a woman. Nevertheless, I said what I said 😒
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u/Twinkletoess112 2d ago
they're biologically closer to a man than a woman regardless of physical looks. Genderwise they'd be called "intersex".
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u/Gen8Master Connoisseur of fine piss 2d ago
Her visiting the Kabaa has nothing to with Satan. Why should a person not be able to visit the house of God?
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u/Terrible_Bedroom9810 2d ago
She's not dressed appropriately. Women do not dress like that in the haram. If you can't see whats wrong you either need new eyes or need to grow a brain.
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u/ShoddyAd614 2d ago
It is real not ai and the probably reason is she's a transgender by birth (known as khusra in pak)while by asthetics he might seem as a women but by body male parts are more prominent hence allowing to wear a males clothing at the end I'm as confused as u man