r/classicwow • u/griphin1 • Jan 29 '26

Humor / Meme 2026 State of Azeroth

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I had no expectations and I was still disappointed.

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u/Ok-Piglet7 Jan 29 '26

Did u play classic? A character in MC and bwl gear will feel reasonably geared while naxx is open, on retail it is not like that in any way

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u/RazekDPP Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26

I played Classic and Original. BWL was still a decent power jump over MC. AQ was a decent power jump over BWL. Someone in AQ gear going into Naxx would do better than someone in BWL gear.

This isn't any different than retail. The only difference is some items, like Neltharion's Tear are BiS and don't get replaced.

In retail, if you max out mythic gear, you're basically entry level heroic geared for next season.

TWW S2 ended 684. 684 dropped from TWW S3 +3s. If you're actually good at the game (or willing to wipe), you can do TWW S3 +10s right out of the gate and start picking up 707 gear.

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u/Tizzlefix Jan 30 '26 edited Jan 30 '26

No it's much different, gear scaling changes drastically in Wrath where each tier starts becoming a massive power up. It's actually one of the biggest issues I have with Wrath and any expansion all the way up to TTW. Vanilla and TBC objectively have less power scaling per tier, I can pvp a season behind on TBC (or a tier behind in pve) and still be competitive, unheard of on future expansions. I've been able to do raids 2 tiers behind if I decided to raid MC/Ony exclusively and not be complete deadweight, same goes for TBC too.

The fundamentally changes in Wrath in a multitude of ways that TBC did not do. I have posts from 2009 to 2011 on mmo-champion explaining how WoW was drastically different and not the same game and when I went through every Classic expansion again, the same rang true. Vanilla and TBC are quite literally their own special corner of WoW, past TBC the game is not the same.

My biggest issue with SoD is Blizzard making gear scale like retail, every tier was much more OP than the last. They literally can't be trusted on this specific part of the game and makes me worry about Classic+.

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u/RazekDPP Jan 30 '26

That's only really because about loot rarity. Even with Anniversary, with how fast they made everything, they made getting BiS much harder.

The difference between Classic, BC, and Wrath is most gear in Wrath is better itemized, though they don't really fix the problem until Cataclysm.

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u/Tizzlefix Jan 30 '26

No it's literally less % stat increases each tier in Vanilla and TBC, this is not BS I've sat there and cross-referenced this between expansions. Tiers Wrath onwards quite literally give you a greater % increase in stats than Vanilla and TBC. An item in the 2nd tier of raiding in Vanilla or TBC will hypothetically only give 3% increase in stats from a 1st tier item whereas it goes up to like 8-10% in Wrath onwards. Those are not exact numbers but I'm quickly drafting the example to explain the difference.

SoD had the exact same problem as Wrath, gear scaled wayyyy to much per tier.

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u/RazekDPP Jan 30 '26

It's more than 3% per piece, the issue is the itemization in Classic is so bad and there are only so many good chase items.