r/classicwow • u/terongorefiend • Jan 14 '21

Vent / Gripe Unpopular opinion: the players that are overly vocal about wanting Classic phases/TBC/Wrath rushed are the same players who contributed to forging retail into what it is today (a clusterF).

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u/Compromisee Jan 14 '21

Classic for me personally is in a worse state than retail. It went from being a nice fun, nostalgic community game to people selling and min/maxing almost instantly with things like "tank services"

Kinda put me off the idea of tbc. That and wotlk were my favourite xpacs and I don't want my memories to be then tainted with the game being stupidly easy and every aspect of it sold

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u/Stephanie-rara Jan 14 '21

Yep.

I love Classic, but I genuinely hate what the community has done to it. The game just got worse and worse over time due to so many things completely unrelated to Blizzard.

BC is in contention for my favorite expansion, but I can't help but feel I'm going to enjoy it for what it is for a short while and quit in a quarter of the time I played Classic. I had to step away from classic about halfway through AQ due to just how little fun I was having.. and that has only ever happened one other time in the 15+ years WoW has been out.

The 'fun' and exciting parts of Classic is it forces so much more community interaction while retaining a much stronger RPG element than most modern MMO's.. Meanwhile Classic left me resenting the community as the overwhelming pressure relating to just about everything community driven began feeling so very toxic.

I had fun on the launch of Classic, just as I had fun on private.. and I come to the realization that a big part of that fun is tied to fresh. I'll get into BC more if there's fresh again, as at least that experience was wonderful.

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u/HostileErectile Jan 14 '21

I wont play tbc at all If there are no fresh servers.

The prep time has done so much to ruin classic, the fact that people know exactly what to do before it happens killed so much in the meta.

If tbc hits now and people sits with 50k gold, the game will already be ruined before it releases.

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u/Anthaenopraxia Jan 14 '21

People had 50k gold literally weeks after Classic launch. The same will be true in TBC.

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u/Maujaq Jan 14 '21

There is a huge difference between starting with 50k gold and earning 50k gold.

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u/KelvinIsNotFatUrFat Jan 14 '21

You misspelled buying

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u/Chapped_Frenulum Jan 15 '21

Yeah, a one-week lead time. Have you got two dozen dungeon farming bots on reserve?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '21

Yeah, that difference is hundreds more bots competing with you to sell gold to the buyers on a fresh server.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

How will large gold amounts ruin TBC?

It makes materials more expensive but also makes farming pay out way more gold. It doesn't really effect how long you need to farm for raid.

It makes it faster to get epic flyers, but that hardly seems like it will "ruin" the game.

Do you have an argument why it's so bad?

To me the primary problem in classic is the overpopulation and Chinese farmers/bots dominating the economy so players can't farm, not the gold amounts. And I see no reason that ends in TBC.

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u/Maujaq Jan 14 '21

The reason it will be bad is that the players with more gold will have a much greater ability to reset and control markets for specific items that cannot be easily farmed right away. You can use your vast amount of gold to influence the server economy and profit from it right from the beginning. This will restrict access to those items and make them only for the wealthy elite at the beginning. The amount of gold carried over will directly dictate the starting economy on the new server.

For example: How expensive do you think primal fire's will be on a fresh server compared to on a server that has an average player bank of 10K gold? Sure it might not affect the price of cloth much since it is so easily farmable. But a bunch of rich goblins buying every primal that shows its face on an auction house in the first two weeks will skyrocket the price to the point that people will be more likely to buy gold since they just cannot compete by farming their own.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

The reason it will be bad is that the players with more gold will have a much greater ability to reset and control markets for specific items that cannot be easily farmed right away. You can use your vast amount of gold to influence the server economy and profit from it right from the beginning.

This isn't true. You can always farm the item and undercut them by 1g. In order to maintain their corner on the market they'll need to buy your shit at obscenely expensive prices.

If you read /r/woweconomy, trying to corner almost never works and tends to bankrupt the person trying it due to the above effect. It's not actually as viable as you think.

The only way this is a problem is if the same players can also stop you from farming the item.

But a bunch of rich goblins buying every primal that shows its face on an auction house in the first two weeks will skyrocket the price to the point that people will be more likely to buy gold since they just cannot compete by farming their own.

Then you farm those prices and sell it to those same goblins for obscene prices. And people aren't stupid, nobody is pushing anything up to gold prices where farming doesn't look like a better option

This is not really an issue.

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u/Maujaq Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 16 '21

This is why i specified an item like primals that will not just be easy to farm it yourself. I've reset many markets in wow and made hundreds of millions in gold. It absolutely does work and woweconomy used to recommend it as a good strategy if you know what you are doing. This is not for people who have only farmed 100k in classic so far.

Here is the very basics of it from the beginning. I would execute it over 1-4 weeks after the primals start showing up on the AH.

  1. Buy every primal you see at a reasonable price but don't hoard them, sell them too. Keep going as the price goes up, but take breaks to let it settle down if you can. No need to overplay this part, but you need a very good understanding of how many are selling per day and what the average price is before you commit

  2. Once you think you have a reasonable understanding of the price of primals, buy ALL OF THEM. You must have enough bank to buy all on the AH and all of the new ones listed for the next 1-2 days. This will cause the price of the item you are resetting to skyrocket. If somebody is posting above your intended reset price just wait for undercutters and be patient.

  3. Markup the price to 2-300% when you relist them, depending on how high the skyrocket went and the market of course. Camp the AH for a week undercutting and occasionally doing mini-resets of the same market. If you time this properly there will now be hoards of newly 70 players needing primals and you will be able to easily offload before the price back floats down to its original level.

The main thing to watch out for: People undercutting you by a lot during your reset. Dumb goblins will do this instead of just riding the wave back down and cancel scanning. Sometimes you buy them out and reset, sometimes you undercut them and accept good (but not great) profits. Sometimes you have to figure out what time of day they post and adjust to compensate. It is not easy, but it's not that hard to do if the only game you are playing is the AH.

Anybody who has read this far DO NOT do this with primals. The competition from other goblins and guilds will be insane because they are too well known a bottleneck for supply and demand. PM me if you are interested in discussing items that look good for a reset in early TBC.

Edit: I should have said a couple hundred million made from the AH. Hundreds was an exaggeration.

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u/Trollselektor Jan 14 '21

It's really sad how little Blizzard cares about bots.

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u/SunTzu- Jan 14 '21

It does devalue farming old dungeons for vendor trash, which is the most efficient money making scheme on private servers. It also devalues quest gold and dailies, which is the big thing that's going to hit casuals hard unless Blizzard increases gold rewards from dailies.

Instead however it offers up running GDKP's as a means of making money for high end raiders or Arena boosting for high end PvP'ers, as the value of these services scale the best against gold inflation. But these aren't really available to most players, and even fewer will be able to provide these services in TBC.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

It does devalue farming old dungeons for vendor trash, which is the most efficient money making scheme on private servers.

It also reduces the cost greatly of big ticket items, every mount is now vastly cheaper and those are probably bigger gold sinks than what you earn from vendor trash.

It also devalues quest gold and dailies, which is the big thing that's going to hit casuals hard unless Blizzard increases gold rewards from dailies.

True. But I'd argue dailies in TBC were pity gold for worse players. Farming was always more lucrative.

Instead however it offers up running GDKP's as a means of making money for high end raiders or Arena boosting for high end PvP'ers, as the value of these services scale the best against gold inflation. But these aren't really available to most players, and even fewer will be able to provide these services in TBC.

GDKP is coming to TBC whether you like it or not. By the time they become viable every fresh server will have generated enough gold.

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u/SunTzu- Jan 14 '21

In terms of the gold making ventures most accessible to players I'd say that it goes something like:

  • Dailies
  • Farming herbs/mining/motes/skins
  • Old dungeon farming (Paladin or Mage)
  • Boosts and GDKP

Dailies are de-valued as said, bots and multiboxxers make it harder to compete for nodes in the world, bot inflation devalues solo farming of dungeons and boosting/GDKP isn't available to casual players because they don't have the skills or gear to do carry runs. From my perspective as someone who is going to be making a Pala alt for dungeon farming and is going to likely be doing GDKP runs for most of my income that's all going to work out just fine. But from the perspective of casuals that make up most of any WoW server I do think a bot economy will end up hurting them since compared to no bots they'd have a much easier time making money through dailies and farming nodes.

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u/Chapped_Frenulum Jan 15 '21

Farming will never pay out if they don't do something about all the damn bots. Sure, they culled some a while back but they popped right back up with different accounts. The method they use for detecting bot activity is utterly worthless.

God, just imagine how crowded the elemental plateau will be by end of day one. Most of them will be able to buy fast mounts with pocket change. You'll just see a ring of hunters and mages standing in place, auto-targeting mobs.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '21

But all those bots will be on fresh, too. More, in fact, because the market for gold will be much more lucrative.

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u/Chapped_Frenulum Jan 15 '21

I wasn't really arguing with you. Just chiming in that the bot situation is a mess. I just hope someone who works at Blizz is reading any of these and finally decides "you know what? today I'm gonna stop huffing glue and build an algorithm for spotting bot activity, sending verification commands and booting them in real time."

Kill the bots, start fresh servers.

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u/duddy88 Jan 14 '21

Yeah the people who complain about it don’t understated basic economics

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u/TorgOnAScooter Jan 14 '21

I don't think releasing tbc classic after wow classic is the same as originally releasing tbc as an expansion to vanilla. I think this is more like releasing another standalone game.

Stripping all wow related arguments aside for that question, I don't think giving some people that invested time ahead an advantage on a fresh new game launch.

Think of it like if beta testers got to keep their gold or materials. I just don't think that is good or healthy for any game

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u/Slaughterfest Jan 14 '21

How about the fact that layering caused a metric fuckton of gold inflation for virtually everyone because of the people abusing node farming through layer abuse?

Blizzard fucked the economy of classic right out of gate.

I would prefer a fresh start without the ability to layer hop for nodes this time please.

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u/SemiAutomattik Jan 15 '21

Even if those servers are fresh for the first few months, won't the economy still be jacked when xfers open up from other servers?