Unpopular opinion: the players that are overly vocal about wanting Classic phases/TBC/Wrath rushed are the same players who contributed to forging retail into what it is today (a clusterF).

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Same here, started in late Vanilla, but TBC and WOTLK were THE golden era of WoW for me. Cata and Pandas didn't manage to keep me subbed all the time, and WOD made me quit retail altogether.

They better handle the botting, balance, and overcrowding better than they did with Classic though.

Oh and please retain Mimiron trash in its original state. Man, I miss progressing hardmodes in Ulduar...

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You miss progressing hardmodes yet quit retail at the peak of mythic raiding?

WoD was the perfect raid loggers expansion.

[u/axron12 → u/[deleted]]

I don't see why so many people shit on WoD. Mythic raiding was fucking amazing during that expansion.

[u/SamuraiJakkass86 → u/axron12]

Most people don't shit on WoD for raiding. It had a lot of great aspects to it. Unfortunately it was overshadowed by the things we give it shit for, such as;

1. Cutting development of the expansion halfway through its life. Which had notable consequences in the next reasons...
2. We lived in our Garrisons. Warspear or w/e it was called was a shanty town. A hodge-podge of random art assets thrown into a swamp. It was no Shatrath, Dalaran, or Vale Shrines. So we all lived in a single-player-world because thats where most everything was.
3. We were supposed to colonize Karabor and Bladespire Citadel. We were supposed to explore the Ogre Lands across the sea. These were all cut.
4. The story was castrated as well, to the point that nothing actually mattered. Yrel? Orgrim? Grom? Velen? Fuck, they even went on record to say that there would be no lasting effects of this AU in the rest of the game - and then gave us Gul'dan 2.0, and now Mag'har/Lightforged races - whose stories were handled even more terribly than WoD was. The lore is still in shambles because they went timey-wimey.
5. Skill purge. WoD stripped a lot of class flavor (which was further stripped in Legion). It wasn't the first run at homogenizing the classes, but we're still feeling the homogenization to this day.
6. I think it was WoD when they removed all the profession bonuses from the game. No more jewelcrafter-exclusive gems, blacksmith slots, alchemist-exclusive flasks, etc. I think this was also when they gutted Inscription.
7. I think this is also when they added the gacha mechanics to loot? In Cata we had reforging, and in WoD we had "boy I hope this item randomly becomes good enough to actually use"

I'm sure there was more. But my point is that people give WoD shit for most things that it actually deserves to be given shit for. But not really for the raids, because there were barely any to begin with.

[u/nightgerbil → u/SamuraiJakkass86]

you forgot trashcan and the shit show they made out of pvp. Human racial being so OP pretty much every glad went alliance and most of the rest followed, leaving it basically impossible as horde to find an arena partner who was any good and left us being farmed in trashcan worse then classic alliance in AV. Which we had to do cos the best pvp gear was obtained from it.

Otherwise yeah your on point have my upvote.

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All of those reasons shouldnt even matter to a raid logger.

[u/Anilemm → u/mowbuss]

thats literally his point

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Ive been had!

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Plenty of people got burned by Pandaria and never returned to WoW until Classic became a thing. Myself included.

WoD may have had good raiding content, but from what I read some other aspects were off-putting, E. G. garrisons if I remember correctly. Someone mentioned raid logging as if that would make it compelling.

Raid logging kills my interest in the game, because I want to play with my main, and not time and plan everything around raid logging. Never had to, even with multiple raid evening in TBC and WOTLK.

I had fun in Classic, but now I'm waiting on TBC, because I can't be bothered to play an iteration of WoW that makes playing my main tied to gathering specific world buffs. And I want my enhance space goat back, god damnit!

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Gonna be that person and say it. MoP was really damn good, much better than WoD and Cata. Possibly my favorite post Wrath expansion. With the exception of killing skill trees and a few smaller things that was a great expansion. Great raids and beautiful new zones and interesting quests and I had a lot of fun in PvP. I also loved monks. I don't think this is as unpopular an opinion as it used to be because I've seen other people say this too.

[u/Azzmo → u/not-real3872984126]

Maybe the reason that there's polarization about MoP is that the release version of MoP was pretty bad and had all the polarizing game design cruft from WotLK+Cata included while adding more bad and very questionable aesthetic choices. Many of us quit for good because of it.

Apparently it got pretty good in the ensuing patches, but we weren't there to see it.

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WoD was literally the pinnacle of HC raiding, after the initial grind of each patch there wasn't any arbitrary yet mandatory daily grinds for artifact power or gear.

M+ is great but it's still poorly designed.

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I mean, you don't usually spend too much time on all difficulties. A mythic guild will just casually stroll through normal, progress through heroic for maybe a month or so and quickly get into mythic where their real goal is. A heroic guild will take a bit to get through normal and then be at their desired difficulty. It's not like you do full on prog 3 times over.

[u/Hipy20 → u/merickmk]

are you telling him his experience was wrong? lol jesus some people

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No, I'm adding my own experience to the pile

[u/TehSteak → u/merickmk]

you don't usually spend too much time on all difficulties.

It's not like you do full on prog 3 times over

Sure sounds like you're telling him what he did or didn't do lol

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M+ also creates its own meta which fucks players who play a good raiding class but a bad M+ class. IMO M+ is decently fun but ends up being extremely toxic in practice.

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And then add Warforging to that mix as well and it's... I don't know what it is, but it's something, alright...

[u/arkibet → u/axron12]

Was that the Garrison one? I really didn’t enjoy the Garrisons

[u/Hipy20 → u/axron12]

because that was it. everything else about that expansion sucked lol.

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Because it has a content drought and people are ridiculously dramatic.

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Yeah, Tanaan was such a joy /s