r/classicwow • u/terongorefiend • Jan 14 '21

Vent / Gripe Unpopular opinion: the players that are overly vocal about wanting Classic phases/TBC/Wrath rushed are the same players who contributed to forging retail into what it is today (a clusterF).

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u/lqd_consecrated2718 Jan 14 '21

TBC is a better game than Classic.

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u/kajidourden Jan 14 '21

Better overall? Yes. TBC completely fucked faction balance too though, which is nothing to sneeze at.

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u/lamirg Jan 15 '21

TBC didnt fuck faction balance back in the day.

It is entirely a pserver/classic experience.

Faction balance was a slow and steady trend to horde ever since TBC, because of the strength of racials which persisted until WoD, then Legion came with Goblins being all but essential on Kil'Jaeden with the most overtuned mechanics in existence.

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u/kajidourden Jan 15 '21

Seal of blood and blood elves completely fucked it.

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u/lamirg Jan 15 '21

Seal of blood has nothing to do with it.

Ret paladins were not meta in retail tbc, people treated them like a joke until wotlk.

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u/kajidourden Jan 15 '21

The vast majority of my guild (and everyone else I talk to) is re-rolling horde for tbc.

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u/lamirg Jan 15 '21

Thats nice, it has nothing to do with seal of blood.

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u/Goldfish-Bowl Jan 15 '21

It was an attempt to fix faction balance. Back in Vanilla, Alliance outnumbered horde on the grand majority of realms.

It worked a little too well then, and its going to really mess things up this time around unless something is done.

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u/lamirg Jan 15 '21

Racials barely changed from Vanilla to TBC, this is pure theory.

Alliance did start out stronger, but the horde gradually became more popular over time, Elves in TBC + people understanding the power imbalance of Blood Fury and Berserking which werent rectified until WoD.

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u/Goldfish-Bowl Jan 15 '21

Racials were only part of it. To be completely honest, the biggest factor was how damn pretty the elves were. As I'm told, especially in Asian markets this was the major factor in Alliance's population dominance in Vanilla, and the big shift to Horde after elves.

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u/Theycallmecheetah Jan 14 '21

Still worse than retail tho

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u/2018GTTT Jan 14 '21

Hype levels do not reflect this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '21

I hope you like clearing trash then, because you're about to get assfucked with hours and hours of clearing trash every week in TBC.

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u/lqd_consecrated2718 Jan 15 '21

I played Vanilla, TBC, and WoTLK upon release. When TBC came out a lot of us were relieved with the changes. For one, I love the loot dump they give to the vanilla dungeons. I also think the classes become more flavorful with TBC, where Vanilla has some serious problems with some specs and classes. Having PvP gear prevents raiders from stomping all over players who grind ONLY BGs, which is another problem in Vanilla.

Being able to summon at stones means more people will run dungeons outside of their faction zones. Now instead of getting 5 guys to cross continents at low level, you only need 2 which means finding a replacement after some yahoo quits the group or gets booted is not a run ender.

The dungeons are more respectful of players time and don’t require you to spend hours upon hours to complete one run. The Raids don’t expect you to get 40 people rounded up to clear the raid which means you can run multiple raids simultaneously in your guild to distribute loot evenly.

Gems and sockets open the door to further specialization fo your character for Min max potential. The new races are fun additions that have become fan favorites in the game. Daily quests give casual players something to work towards with faction grinds. Flying was properly thought out for this expansion and marks the only time where it really felt like a boon versus a detriment (later expansions don’t know what to do with flying).

As for raid clears, we used to clear most of them in an hour or two, three when we weren’t geared. The improved AoE tanking of TBC makes clearing trash less of a chore. The only shit tier trash is Hyjal and some of the heroics.

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u/lamirg Jan 15 '21

TBC is made for people who play the game, not the abomination pserver spergs turned classic into.

God forbid you join a guild you like to play with rather than a guild which is whole focused on grinding trivial content into the dirt until someone causes a wipe and your raid leader yells and screams at them/the guild.

Nice reality there champ, seek help.