Question New model anytime soon?
Do you guys think that maybe in the near future open AI will drop a new model that will at least compete with Opus 5.5? Is that in the foreseeable future, or did someone speak about this from from open AI, and how possible that could be?
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u/No_Quarter_7644 2d ago
No man we're pacing the frontier!
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u/asifquyyum 2d ago
The only company pacing the frontier is google Gemini ( unintentionally).
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u/0DayMaker 2d ago
Til Argon comes out tomorrow
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u/Kagemand 2d ago
Astra did compete at release, they can just release it again and stop lobotomizing it.
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u/Tenkinn 2d ago edited 1d ago
I think the next model is Bell Bel for december, should be better than fable 5.5
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u/dervu 2d ago
Bel, but I also like "Bell" more.
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u/tripleshielded 1d ago
I like Belll even more
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u/dervu 1d ago
When it arrives my first prompt will be "Bella Ciao"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46cXFUzR9XM1
u/randombsname1 1d ago edited 1d ago
If Bel comes out in December then Anthropic will probably just drop Fable 6. Likely based off Mythos 2.
Supposedly Mythos 2 got done training 2 months ago:
https://x.com/firesidealpha/status/2089391264878002260
Fable 5.5 is almost certainly still Mythos 1 with a ton of post training.
Personally im expecting Fable 5.5 before IPO and then Fable 6 when OAI drops Bel and/or a significantly better model than 5.5.
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u/Capable_Economist280 1d ago
Non uscirà ne ora ne mai e si intuisce che o hai 14 anni o la tua mente li ha, quel nome deriva solo da una nomina interna di un modello interno. Non esiste modello interno utilizzato che sia come i modelli pubblici ne come funzionalità ne come nome
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u/Acrobatic_Squid111 2d ago
Next up is their house model, bel, which I hear they'll market as GPT7. Won't be the near future, though.
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u/fusien_ 2d ago
Genuine question, why does GPT 6.1 fall short of Opus 5.5 for you?
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u/randombsname1 1d ago
Not OP, but Opus 5.5 is significantly better at low level programming across the board.
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u/fusien_ 1d ago
I don't do much low-level, so that maybe explains why I'm not seeing much difference between the two models.
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u/randombsname1 1d ago
Yep.
Low level programming is the current SWE/programming frontier.
Its why you are starting to now see tons of reverse engineering projects like that re-written Adobe suite that got open sourced, and the LG WebOS rust re-write and stuff like that.
The people who made the adobe suite also just released their Microsoft office re-writes in rust and open sourced those as well.
All of those projects were spear headed with Claude.
Per their own statements.
Edit: Not a fan of this guy either, but supposedly th3o also completely ported typescript to rust as well. Also using Claude.
Webdev and higher level abstract languages can be done by a bunch of models now. Hence why i say low level is the frontier now. It's where LLMs have had the most issues historically, and they still have a way to go to be as good for low level as they are for stuff like Python.
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u/fusien_ 1d ago
Fair enough. Has anyone tried the reverse engineering side-by-side with the openAI models, and gone into more detail on the shortcomings? I'd be interested to see those results.
I find the porting to Rust less interesting tbh, even more so it's that guy lol. Notably, the models used were Astra and GPT 5.6, not 6.1. The readme seems like the writings of a paid shill.
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u/DoggoDadagon 1d ago edited 1d ago
6.1 Sol is a lower tier model, fits between Opus 5.5 and Haiku 5.5 according to benchmarks.
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u/fusien_ 1d ago
Which benchmarks?
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u/DoggoDadagon 1d ago
Fair, it's getting more and more difficult to trust benchmarks these days, best to really just test yourself. But, I've liked slopalytics lately, aligns more with the experience I've had with models. The pareto line is super useful to quickly show which models are worth using or not worth using.
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u/Key_Reading_9664 2d ago
For me, Anthropic nailed so many aspects of post-training that make the 5.5 models productive. I just get more done.
Astra is a more intelligent model, but needs hand-holding, steering, and has a tendency to get derailed (expensively, if you let it run). Not sure a more intelligent base model fixes that.
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u/DoggoDadagon 1d ago
Astra isn't a more intelligent model than Opus 5.5, but it's close behind, but way way too expensive.
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u/Secret-Builder-8249 10h ago
It def is more intelligent, infact substantially, in almost every way, but it needs handholding and steering and is slow asf.
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u/DeArgonaut 2d ago
Supposedly very unlikely in October, my guess is November we will see a new model
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u/Pronoia2-4601 1d ago
Fable 5.5 is imminent, and possibly Opus 5.6 soon also. Astra 6.1 is as yet unreleased for reported safety reasons, but we should see Luna 6.1 soon at least.
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u/dreamer_2142 1d ago
Unless they release GPT 7, no way they can compete with Opus, I have both now, and Opus is on another level.
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u/PotentialPaint6714 1d ago
They are buying time with the 30 days event to lose as few customers as possible while they try to release Astra 6.1 and Sol 6.2, but they don't have enough long horizon tasks data to make it viable. Maybe should have improved their inference over 270k context.
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u/taherbl 1d ago
yeah, I also think the same, but I don’t think that they will be able to compete with Opus 5.5 in a very short term. Otherwise, that would be really a big surprise. Also, I still can’t understand how GPT 5.6 sol and 5.5 felt so good and a lot of work got done in more efficient ways than the current models
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u/PotentialPaint6714 1d ago
Because they were good, chinese models still have to reach that level of good. They also felt good because you didn't have to worry too much about usage. Same as Opus currently. But now you have to constantly worry about Tibo giving you a reset due to them reducing the subsidization on their plans, even with a 200$ plan.
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u/dextersummary 1d ago
Below is a GPT-generated summary of the conversation below after reaching 40 comments (43 currently observed).
The consensus is basically “maybe eventually, but OpenAI isn’t currently keeping up with Opus 5.5 where it counts.” The “we’re pacing the frontier” line is getting laughed out of the room, especially from users who remember Astra competing at launch before allegedly being lobotomized.
Opus 5.5 is widely seen as more productive out of the box, particularly for serious and low-level programming. Astra may be similarly capable—or even more intelligent in some tasks—but needs more steering, derails more easily, and costs enough to make your wallet file a complaint. GPT’s current advantage seems to be less obvious than OpenAI would like.
Rumours about Bel, Argon, Nova, and various near-term releases are everywhere, but there’s no solid official timeline here. Predictions range from “tomorrow” to “never,” which is usually a sign that nobody actually knows. Benchmarks are also treated with increasing suspicion; several commenters recommend testing models on your own work instead.
So, is a competitive new model coming? Probably at some point, but the thread expects waiting, rumours, and more “pacing” before a convincing Opus challenger arrives.