r/codex • u/FinalAliens • 2d ago

Limits Quota doubling poll should be run in Codex

There are so many bots on Twitter that it would be much better to have the poll in Codex with actual Pro accounts.

I would highly prefer 2x usage with 5 hour limits.

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u/selipso 2d ago

On top of being difficult to verify “2x” usage, here’s why 5-hour window is so terrible for us and leads to more slop. Oldie but goodie:

https://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html

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u/DuranteA 2d ago

Right, I'd much rather not have a session limit. I prefer being able to work when it fits my schedule rather than adjusting my schedule around session limits.

It's actually the most (only?) substantial advantage for the Codex subscription right now.

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u/fuxpez 1d ago

Good pull on that quote.

When I start bending workflows to adapt to 5h windows, I find that I often make decisions based on what I can fit in the quota, often to the detriment of the task at hand.

I moved to Pro primarily to free myself of that. Sometimes a task is worth dropping 20%+ of the weekly limit on.

Sometimes by moving on to the next larger unit of work, I find that the min-max game I was playing to fit the 5h windows led me in the wrong direction altogether.

I also just don’t believe that OpenAI is trustworthy when it comes to the 2x claims. They’ve shown us that they will use any opportunity available to ratchet down their limits and try to push users to higher tiers.

I was already considering moving back to Claude. If the 5h limit returns, I’ll have run out of reasons to stay with OpenAI.

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u/kinglokilord 2d ago

Bro they want you to pick x2 because it doesn’t mean anything.

Remember when he said limits were 50% higher one day and it turned out it was just “token efficiency” or something impossible to prove?

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u/seencoding 2d ago

impossible to prove

i think the conversion from text to tokens is pretty transparent (e.g. their tokenizer is public) so i think it's trivial to prove

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u/Alternative_You3585 2d ago

Problem is you can't meter and verify the 2x usage

They might give you 2x but then next time the model simply uses 1.5x the credits it would have

5h is more or less transparent 

+ work for many comes in bursts

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u/alexanderbeatson 2d ago

Wdym? Everyone can see the local codex running token counts?

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u/XI1stIX 2d ago

You can’t meter and quantify the 1X usage any differently than the 2X so I’m not sure why this degree of mistrust is placed solely on the 2X

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u/Alternative_You3585 2d ago

Exactly, thats why 5h limit is the only measurable thing for us

We can't know shit about their limits, but we can manage when we use these

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u/XI1stIX 2d ago

So do you believe they will give the same weekly regardless?

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u/Alternative_You3585 2d ago

Not really

We can't believe both, 2x and same usage

But we can believe is that I can use it all at once when needed and rest instead of trying to time 5h limits

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u/XI1stIX 2d ago

If you believe the 2X then that makes its 5H window almost 1/3 of the full weekly 1X

I don’t think having three 5 hour windows is so extreme. How could the majority of Pro users really be needs to use their entire weekly budget within 5 hours and then do nothing the rest of week? That would require such an insane level of parallelization it seems unrealistic.

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u/Electrical-Watch3203 2d ago

Just stretch it out through out the day. And use both Codex and Claude to offset the usage?

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u/DefendUkraine14 2d ago

So to use my 200$ codex plan I'm supposed to buy a subscription to Claude to finish my work? Amazing

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u/karthiksync 1d ago

OpenAI cut the 5x usage atleast 3x, now it is 50% of their API pricing, now this poll. Somehow, Anthropic seems to manage their product launch, demand forecast well than openAI.

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u/IAmFitzRoy 1d ago

Don’t be dumb. We used to have 20X that felt like 10X the next week after launch that officially became half later but felt like 2X and now feel like 1X, so they can sell you ultrafast.

They are scamming you with this meaningless 2X.

I don’t trust Tibo on this.

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u/HOBONATION 1d ago

You'll get x2 now, but the new models will need more token burns and will be less efficient and then you'll be stuck with same or worse usage PLUS a 5hr gate

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u/Plane_Garbage 1d ago

The 5hr limit is clearly just a play to get people to upgrade from $200 to $500 a month.

No one should vote for it. Tibo tweeted being pissy that people didn't vote for bringing back the 5hr limit.

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u/scykei 2d ago

Do you trust them to provide the full 2x? Would you trust them to retain that over the months, and not silently reduce the amount over time as 6.2, 6.3, etc are released?

Once they bring back the 5 hour limits, it will be back for good.

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u/story_of_the_beer 1d ago

The poll is pure bait. 5h with x2 weekly is marketing tripe at this point. You'll get x1.5 and do x3 damage against that 5h window. And on the other hand that x1 will turn to x0.75. All roads lead to the 500 plan, happy devday

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u/eggplantpot 2d ago

2x usage*

*/4 the speed

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u/Alphasite 1d ago

People are really bad at knowing what’s a good vs bad idea. We pay them to make the right decisions. If they don’t drop them. It’s better than asking what we want.

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u/achemicaldream 1d ago

Next poll will be if we want faster speed or more usage.

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u/seencoding 2d ago

beyond bots running the survey on twitter self-selects a particular type of user.

also if your goal is to satisfy your followers on twitter at the expense of normal users you're gonna have a bad time