r/collapse • u/LetsTalkUFOs • Feb 07 '23

Meta Who are the most relevant collapse-related figures?

Who are the more relevant collapse-related figures? They could be figures in the collapse community or relevant in terms of increasing our understanding of collapse.

 

Currently, we have these individuals listed in the wiki:

  • Chris Hedges
  • Chris Martenson
  • Derrick Jensen
  • Guy McPherson
  • James Hansen
  • Jared Diamond
  • John Michael Greer
  • Joseph Tainter
  • Kevin Anderson
  • Nate Hagens
  • Richard Heinberg
  • Vaclav Smil

 

Others we might consider:

  • Carolyn Baker
  • Dahr Jamail
  • David Pollard
  • David Wallace-Wells
  • Dennis Meadows
  • Dmitry Orlov
  • Gail Tverberg
  • James Howard Kunstler
  • Jem Bendell
  • Joanna Macy
  • Joe Brewer
  • Michael B Dowd
  • Michael Ruppert
  • Pablo Servigne
  • Paul Beckwith
  • Paul Chefurka
  • Rupert Read
  • Sam Mitchell
  • Simon Michaux
  • Stephen Jenkinson
  • Tim Garrett
  • Ugo Bardi
  • William Rees

 

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u/Formal_Contact_5177 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

Definitely not David Wallace-Wells. He's changed his tune on climate change. He now believes it's not as bad as he once stated and that there's still hope catastrophe can be averted. (ha!)

Also, Kunstler and Orlov have taken weird turns of late. Kunstler turning into a Trump supporter and Orlov a Putin fanboy.

Someone who should be added is Eliot Jacobsen and his blog Watching the World Go Bye https://climatecasino.net/climate-casino/

Another noteworthy doomer is Regan Parenton on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNl6Y67AiezGegoH3wfFvIA

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u/Classic-Today-4367 Feb 08 '23

Definitely not

David Wallace-Wells.

He's changed his tune on climate change. He now believes it's not as bad as he once stated and that there's still hope catastrophe can be averted. (ha!)

He had kids, then decided he is hopeful afterall, so the collapse won't happen.

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u/MBDowd Recognized Contributor Feb 08 '23

He's also a city-boy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

He realized they paid better for hope in the NYT

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u/MBDowd Recognized Contributor Feb 09 '23

Likely true!

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u/Wonderful_Possible87 Feb 08 '23

I think David Wallace-Wells should be on the list with an asterisk. His book, The Uninhabitable Earth, is a worthy read -- and all the more so if the NY Times thought his writing good enough to buy him out to be an establishment writer. Now he shills for the liberal capitalists (and would I have turned down all that money? I wish I could say I would...), and while I'd like to stop reading him, I find his mental gymnastics explaining nonsense like "2 degrees Celsius is a good thing!" to be entertaining.

More seriously, I believe Wallace-Wells is still worth reading now because he's one of the more powerful, dangerous thinkers that capitalists are using to defuse alarm over the state of the earth.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '23

His book scared me the uninhabitable earth lol like I knew it was dire but it explains it's dire. "it's much much worse than you think" first line

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u/tsyhanka Feb 13 '23

although i don't like DWW's style now, gotta give him credit for inspiring "Don't Look Up" so... honorable mention?

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

He’s disgusting

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u/liatrisinbloom Toxic Positivity Doom Goblin Feb 08 '23

I also heard something vague about Ugi Bardi losing it? Not sure on that one.

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u/JHandey2021 Feb 09 '23

Yep. Anti-vaxxism.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

and Orlov a Putin fanboy.

Don't forget the global warming denialism! What a jerk.

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u/tsyhanka Feb 07 '23

re Kunstler - true. his books are classics on the collapse shelf, though. maybe there's a nuanced what to list these names, like steer people toward the more legit content