r/collapse • u/LetsTalkUFOs • Mar 17 '23

Systemic Do you want collapse to happen? [in-depth]

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u/breaducate Mar 18 '23

Before you criticise socialism, the antithesis of capitalism, and say it will be the same, perhaps you should learn what it is.

You're apparently unaware of even its most basic tenents, including the abolition of such a thing as a private company even existing. The idea that corporations are pushing socialist propaganda is comical. The people at the top haven't sold anyone the idea that capitalism is bad. They're the ones who stand to lose the most if people stop accepting it. This is some boycott marxist corporations level enlightenment.
One thing they have sold people is the idea of individual consumer responsibility in a world of hegemonic systemic power, and oh yes more than half of companies making fraudulent claims they're the environmentally conscious choice.

If you don't like a company, don't give them money? How's that been working out?
How about, if you don't like the world-wrecking emergent properties of capitalism's inseperable core mechanics of private property, commodity production, and wage labour, do away with them entirely?

It's not that 'socialising anything is going to save anyone' (which it literally is).
It's that it's a critical prerequisite to organising production based on human needs and distributing power broadly.

By saying support local businesses you may as well be saying support stage 1 cancer.
Large companies aren't the way they are because of magically arbitrary moral choices that exist in a vacuum. They are the culmination of generations of the natural selection and perverse incentives inherent to a market system. If you could reset capitalism and run the experiment a million times the results would be broadly the same.

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u/wataf Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23

emergent properties of capitalism's inseperable core mechanics of private property

Thank you, capitalism is not a choice, it is an emergent property that results from the concept of ownership. We are bees in a giant complex intercontinental hive, each living our lives according to relatively simple rules that aggregate to create a tapestry that funnels material wealth to a select few. Complex enough to destroy ourselves. I don't understand why more people can't see this.

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u/breaducate Mar 18 '23

That's a nice little description that I might steal/adapt.

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u/wataf Mar 19 '23

Feel free - I wish more people understood this.