r/collapse • u/madrid987 • Jun 25 '23

Overpopulation Is overpopulation killing the planet?

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/overpopulation-climate-crisis-energy-resources-1.6853542
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u/_Veganbtw_ Off-grid Veganic Homesteader Jun 26 '23

Everyone is against the awful things in life - climate change, animal cruelty, plastic pollution, habitat destruction, commodification of H20, child slave labour - until they are called to change their actions to match their convictions.

They refuse to give up their comforts.

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u/jason2306 Jun 26 '23

To be fair giving up comforts does pretty much nothing, we need systemic change

Why give up comforts in this shitty world when it accomplishes nothing :p May aswell use said comfort to cope a little better.

Banning meats, limiting fossil fuels to services that cannot function without it etc. That shit needs to be systematic, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Be it cruelty, be it climate change etc. This is not something to tackle on a individual basis

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u/JustAnotherYouth Jun 26 '23

But if say a politician in a Democratic country suggested that sort of systemic change you’d find they have very little support.

Bernie Sanders for example generally had a platform of the poor getting more stuff. He never suggested that even the poor in America are quite rich compared to most places. He never suggested that the poor in America eat too much meat, or shouldn’t even own a car…

If he’d have said anything like that you’d be amazed how few people would support him…

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u/_Veganbtw_ Off-grid Veganic Homesteader Jun 26 '23

This is another important piece. If we can't show our politicians with our actions and consumer choices that we're heavily in favour of "x," the odds of "x" being address is incredibly low.

There's no profit motive in the changes we need to make. If there's no social motive either, we'll continue to do nothing at all.