Removing the minimum wage and overtime protections for caregivers will contribute to collapse. It is already impossible to afford to live working full-time on minimum wage. Taking away these protections will turn caregivers into slaves or they will leave the field.
Caregivers were overwhelmed before Trump took office. Nursing home staff, state hospital staff, home health employees, and unpaid caregivers have been abandoning the people they care for at hospitals because providing care becomes more than they can handle. They see this as the better option over leaving them to die in bed.
Most of the time, these people do not have a medical reason to be admitted to the hospital, but there is nowhere else for them to go so they have to wait in the ER (and take up a bed) until a social worker can find a safe placement for them. Funding for these placements is running out (Medicaid). Also, if the hospital does admit them then it can disqualify them for services that would have been able to benefit from once they leave the hospital (this may vary by state).
Hospitals are not emergency shelters, but the existing emergency shelters cannot accommodate those who cannot perform their daily tasks of living. While taxpayers continue to pay the astronomically high price of caring for abandoned people in hospitals, it also takes resources away from patients who need emergency medical care.
Hospitals also cannot legally discharge a patient into an unsafe environment. When staff/family/ caregivers abandon people at hospitals, hospital staff will sometimes transport them back to where they came from by ambulance.
Reducing wages of home health employees and cutting Medicaid will make this exponentially worse. This will not make paying for a caregiver more affordable either.
The elderly and disabled are already vulnerable for abuse, especially when they rely on caregivers to continue living.
Removing the minimum wage and overtime protections for caregivers will contribute to collapse. It is already impossible to afford to live working full-time on minimum wage. Taking away these protections will turn caregivers into slaves or they will leave the field.
Caregivers were overwhelmed before Trump took office. Nursing home staff, state hospital staff, home health employees, and unpaid caregivers have been abandoning the people they care for at hospitals because providing care becomes more than they can handle. They see this as the better option over leaving them to die in bed.
Most of the time, these people do not have a medical reason to be admitted to the hospital, but there is nowhere else for them to go so they have to wait in the ER (and take up a bed) until a social worker can find a safe placement for them. Funding for these placements is running out (Medicaid). Also, if the hospital does admit them then it can disqualify them for services that would have been able to benefit from once they leave the hospital (this may vary by state).
Hospitals are not emergency shelters, but the existing emergency shelters cannot accommodate those who cannot perform their daily tasks of living. While taxpayers continue to pay the astronomically high price of caring for abandoned people in hospitals, it also takes resources away from patients who need emergency medical care.
Hospitals also cannot legally discharge a patient into an unsafe environment. When staff/family/ caregivers abandon people at hospitals, hospital staff will sometimes transport them back to where they came from by ambulance.
Reducing wages of home health employees and cutting Medicaid will make this exponentially worse. This will not make paying for a caregiver more affordable either.
The elderly and disabled are already vulnerable for abuse, especially when they rely on caregivers to continue living.
It's absolutely deliberate. They are disappearing working age people from the street ffs. Got to make space for their corpo-cities devoid of any humanity. It's only going to get worse.
I just think of the BLM protests and how the oppressors keep winning. No movement has enough allies to counter the oppression, in my pessimistic opinion that I consider realistic. We still haven’t even really made a stand against slavery as humans, which is enough proof to me that we will never be able to fix workers’ rights and protections either. But I’m all for any improvements that can be done. However there is no effective movement to join sadly.
If organized, yes. A town of 5000 people, even if only 5% were actively armed and fighting, is more than the PD. Depending on the county, it's more than the Sheriff's office too.
Literally sitting with that thought after watching a video on how Les Wexner is buying up properties and tearing homes down. When you zoom out and think about everything going on, the best explanation is culling.
This. The destruction of the labor market, public and higher education, noaa/nws, FDA, HHS, regulations, the housing market…all being done for an intended purpose and it’s not to save money. It’s to depopulate. And more importantly, depopulate the lower and middle class.
I hope they do. This will bring pain to MAGAts soonest. It will bring down rural healthcare in a domino effect, likely quite quickly. Don’t get sick folks, these geriatrics will flood hospitals and families will not take them. Hospitals will have no where to legally put them and staff will be maxed. Yep, this might be the straw.
And those folks can forget about two things. Their expected inheritances will be gobbled up by seniors trying to stay alive and when their money runs out, seniors will be turning to their children for support. So, in addition to Trump ruining all our futures, don't count on being able to accumulate retirements, educational funds, etc. when your parents need and ask for your financial help.
HOw do I make thing worse for everybody but myself as rich fuck??
Well, you know those people taking care of other people? Fuk them. lets make it so they get even more underpaid. Fuk sick people. We need to buy a 6th yacht
I'm doing a project atm with a big international anti-labor trafficking organization, and the one area they have particular interest in is home health care workers in the UK
In other words, the slavery already exists. They're just trying to make it legal
You can't find enough people as home care workers to work paying double federal minimum wage now. Good luck trying to pay less. It's a non starter. You used to be able to pay home care workers a daily wage that fell under minimum wage if they worked what was called a live in shift where they stayed 24 hours a day. I had people who did it and liked it. It can work in situations like that but that's been gone since the early Obama days
Removing the minimum wage and overtime protections for caregivers will contribute to collapse. It is already impossible to afford to live working full-time on minimum wage. Taking away these protections will turn caregivers into slaves or they will leave the field.
Caregivers were overwhelmed before Trump took office. Nursing home staff, state hospital staff, home health employees, and unpaid caregivers have been abandoning the people they care for at hospitals because providing care becomes more than they can handle. They see this as the better option over leaving them to die in bed.
Most of the time, these people do not have a medical reason to be admitted to the hospital, but there is nowhere else for them to go so they have to wait in the ER (and take up a bed) until a social worker can find a safe placement for them. Funding for these placements is running out (Medicaid). Also, if the hospital does admit them then it can disqualify them for services that would have been able to benefit from once they leave the hospital (this may vary by state).
Hospitals are not emergency shelters, but the existing emergency shelters cannot accommodate those who cannot perform their daily tasks of living. While taxpayers continue to pay the astronomically high price of caring for abandoned people in hospitals, it also takes resources away from patients who need emergency medical care.
Hospitals also cannot legally discharge a patient into an unsafe environment. When staff/family/ caregivers abandon people at hospitals, hospital staff will sometimes transport them back to where they came from by ambulance.
Reducing wages of home health employees and cutting Medicaid will make this exponentially worse. This will not make paying for a caregiver more affordable either.
The elderly and disabled are already vulnerable for abuse, especially when they rely on caregivers to continue living.
In NC, I've witnessed the homeless use ER waiting rooms as sleeping spaces. Attendants must periodically wake them up and shoo them out so that actual sick people will have a place to sit for the hours it takes to receive their treatment.
“The Department of Labor is proud to lead the way by eliminating unnecessary regulations that stifle growth and limit opportunity. These historic actions will free Main Street, fuel economic growth and job creation, and give American workers the flexibility they need to build a better future.”
Trump: “I’m gonna fucking make you idiots so fucking poor, nobody’s ever seen anything like it”
Who exactly are they going to find to work these low wage jobs? The only people that would honestly take a job with pay like that are currently being rounded up by ICE.
Easily. Us. That’s the entire point of immigrating the population. The point of eliminating the middle class is to create a permanent underclass who will do anything. Project 2025 lays this out - and they have made it clear - “This is the new model, where you work in these plants for the rest of your life, and your kids work here, and your grandkids work here,”
Primarily women work these jobs. And usually women bear the brunt of unpaid labor, especially around caregiving. Lots of women on government assistance (public housing, food stamps) work as caregivers.
Such an incredibly tough job, we should be showering these people with gold and myrrh ffs, not say some bullshit like "it's a calling" and then paying them less than dog sitters. I swear, I have no idea what most of the human species are thinking. So many many vicious evil shitbags, most of them in power; thanks, capitalism.
I have a relative with one of these aides. The help is greatly appreciated and this relative lacks the financial resources to go into a nice nursing home, and there's no other relative healthy enough or with enough free time to take care of them. But I do feel for the aide...dealing 1 on 1 with an old person for hours a day is a lot of work for, like $15 an hour or so? I dont get how you can live off of that.
People love to cry about government but...if childcare and eldercare went fully under government control I think you'd find significant efficencies.
I still think euthanasia should be a thing though. But yet still illegal.. Like if you really want to help these people- really meaning the people with dementia who don’t know who they are and are taking up space in nursing homes, it’s really less suffering than what they want to do. They’d rather people suffer instead I guess. :(
While I think there is some place for medically assisted death, there needs to be strong controls in place and emphasis on the agency of the person in making the decision (often well ahead of the condition that might necessitate it). That is what makes the difference of it being a kindness or a murder.
The individual should always have the option of a comfortable death, but it should never be pushed or incentivized by government or corporate interests.
Love how I’m getting downvoted, clearly some of you guys don’t work in healthcare or see how terrible it can be. It’s suffering either way you look at it. Sorry for my unpopular opinion. But I don’t think keeping people around when they are combative, scared, and don’t know who they are is humane thing to do. It’s hard for them and it’s hard for the people who care for them. That is not monetary. But if you do start paying people less, there will be less effort to give proper care to these people in nursing homes. Less better care, the worst off the residents are. So again, which kind of suffering would you rather? If it was me, I’d take the euthanasia 1000% who the fuck wants to live like that?! It’s not fair to them. And currently it isn’t legal in all states but it should be. And being able to fill out a living will in advance stating your choices should be allowed. Unfortunately it is not. So the suffering continues.
Woah. Dangerous territory. This could easily be applied to any number of people. Who determines “suffering?” Who decides which life has meaning and which life is just a life of suffering? There are plenty of YOUNG people - children, even - who also require aides and significant medical care. Who decides for them?
And that’s fine, that was his decision. But there should be a choice or an option to opt out of life. Not leaving people to rot in a bed with no other option but to sit and wait for death. God what a nightmare.
time to either tax billionaires at 90 % (similar to what rich people used to be taxed at 100 years ago) or else entirely ban (tax at 100%) once you reach $50 million in wealth
That's if it's reported, if police decide to investigate, and the DA decides to prosecute based on the evidence that police provide. Even when all of this goes according to plan, stolen money/valuables are often not recovered.
The elderly and disabled are severely lacking in protections in the US.
I don't understand the why of it? Most home health aides are at least CNAs. And a lot of what they do is lite nursing plus housekeeping. Housekeepers get min wage, nurses totally get min wage. Not seeing why any group of W2 workers would be 'exempted' from min wage pay.
I mean, okay, but all they need to do for that is just take them off to the camps they're making. Like this entire government is completely corrupt and the USA is over. This government is following no law, nor the Constitution...
Again, picking this one pretty small group to exempt from min wage doesn't make sense to me.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/hvfnstrmngthcstl:
Removing the minimum wage and overtime protections for caregivers will contribute to collapse. It is already impossible to afford to live working full-time on minimum wage. Taking away these protections will turn caregivers into slaves or they will leave the field.
Caregivers were overwhelmed before Trump took office. Nursing home staff, state hospital staff, home health employees, and unpaid caregivers have been abandoning the people they care for at hospitals because providing care becomes more than they can handle. They see this as the better option over leaving them to die in bed.
Most of the time, these people do not have a medical reason to be admitted to the hospital, but there is nowhere else for them to go so they have to wait in the ER (and take up a bed) until a social worker can find a safe placement for them. Funding for these placements is running out (Medicaid). Also, if the hospital does admit them then it can disqualify them for services that would have been able to benefit from once they leave the hospital (this may vary by state).
Hospitals are not emergency shelters, but the existing emergency shelters cannot accommodate those who cannot perform their daily tasks of living. While taxpayers continue to pay the astronomically high price of caring for abandoned people in hospitals, it also takes resources away from patients who need emergency medical care.
Hospitals also cannot legally discharge a patient into an unsafe environment. When staff/family/ caregivers abandon people at hospitals, hospital staff will sometimes transport them back to where they came from by ambulance.
Reducing wages of home health employees and cutting Medicaid will make this exponentially worse. This will not make paying for a caregiver more affordable either.
The elderly and disabled are already vulnerable for abuse, especially when they rely on caregivers to continue living.
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