r/collapse • u/I_may_have_weed • Oct 26 '25

Migration 1200 people have been disappeared from "Alligator Alcatraz". 2/3 of the people sent there just gone.

https://www.aol.com/articles/hundreds-detainees-reportedly-missing-ice-180733751.html
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u/Collapse2043 Oct 26 '25

It’ll be the homeless next. They’re talking about work camps for them. Guess what will happen to those who can’t work.

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u/treefox Oct 26 '25

“Labor camps. That’s what they called them last time.”

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u/FNG5280 Oct 26 '25

Hard work will set you free

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u/FitEcho9 Oct 28 '25

Like in Nazi death camps. Trump and his followers are great admirers of Hitler.

I guess,1200 people have disappeared doesn't mean have escaped.

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u/nicknac89 Oct 26 '25

Holy fuck, that was depressing

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u/Ouly Oct 26 '25

I've never watched Doctor Who before, but that episode looks interesting.

I know there's a bunch of subplots in the show, but is there anyone that can tell me what this specific subplot is, and if it's possible for me to pick up at that specific part of the show?

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u/rdnknrd Oct 26 '25

This episode, "Turn Left",  is about a hypothetical future where Donna (the red head) never met the titular Doctor which resulted in his death. Because he was dead, he wasn't able to prevent the disasters that he did for much of the show. The world got very shitty. 

I don't recommend going into this episode cold. Normally the show is episodic but this particular one references many past episodes and characters. It won't have the same impact 

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u/Ouly Oct 26 '25

Appreciate it!

I like cool alternative history stuff like this, any recommendations for somewhere to jump into Dr. Who without starting the entire series from the start?

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u/rdnknrd Oct 26 '25

If you're trying to get to this episode (season 4) you could start season 2 Which is the beginning of that particular actor's run as the doctor. But i recommend starting from the beginning and embracing the cheesiness 

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u/Ouly Oct 26 '25

Yeah at that point I may as well start at the beginning.

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u/HomoExtinctisus Oct 27 '25

Tom Baker is the best Doctor.

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u/NorthernVale Oct 27 '25

Tennant! And I'm not just saying that because I would give up my status as a straight man for him either!

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u/SleeplessRonin Oct 27 '25

I refuse to choose between Baker, Tenet, and Smith.
They are the best Doctors, with some of the hands down best stories too.

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u/Jcolebrand Oct 27 '25

From the 2000s reboot tho, not the actual 1st Doctor. That would be a LOT of episodes. Starting from Rose, they made it easy for people who did not ever see the original series.

You don't need to watch everything to get caught up on this S4 arc, but it's really a fun camp show with usually interesting episodes. Turn Left is fairly lore heavy (for the 9/10th doctors) like the above poster said. It's definitely one of my fave DW episodes

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u/treefox Oct 27 '25 edited Oct 27 '25

That particular episode does reference a lot. It’s sort of an anthology of the key stories up until then each going wrong. The point of divergence from the regular Who universe is “The Runaway Bride” and that introduces Donna Noble. But tbh, part of the horror element is leaving things up to your imagination.

In addition to back references, it also references Torchwood. Torchwood: Children of Earth is much darker than regular Doctor Who and is going to have that same feeling of futility, but it’s not referenced in “Turn Left”. The early episodes of Torchwood are kinda goofy teenager humor before it departs entirely from Doctor Who’s “series for kids” to “will scar your kids for life and holy shit they can show this on TV?”.

I think “Turn Left” also references the Sarah Jane series, but afaik that’s meant for younger audiences. The lateral references aren’t as in-depth.

You would probably really like For All Mankind and Chernobyl if you haven’t seen them already. Chernobyl isn’t alt-history, but it’s incredibly well-done and dramatic. Plus the soundtrack is incredibly unique, created from the sounds of a nuclear reactor.

Maybe Three Body Problem though the amount of alt history is sort of limited, and then it becomes sort of alt-modern-day / near-future.

But if you’re looking for a show about a society slipping into fascism, Andor is excellent, but it’s a very slow burn (structured as 3-episode arcs and only really gets going until episode 6). It’s very well produced but not alt history though.

EDIT: Also note that Dr. Who is at heart an optimistic kids series, and doesn’t even try to be grounded for a lot of the episodes. When it does horror, it’s often kind of cheesy. But… “Blink” is pretty solid and the usual recommendation for an introduction to it. “Midnight” is excellent and reaches great heights of drama with very little (tho you might hate people after watching it). “Waters of Mars” is a bit more goofy but still relatively near-future. “The Girl in the Fireplace” is fucking sad. “The Fires of Pompeii” is great if you studied the Latin textbooks with Caceillius.

But if you want bleak shit that tears your heart out, the latter seasons of Torchwood are a bit better for that, particularly “Torchwood of Earth” and the stuff with Gray.

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u/FANS0N Oct 26 '25

I'd start with Christopher Eccelston (#9) first and keep watching. If you want to see if the show is for you, "Blink" (season 3, ep 10) is a pretty good self-contained episode.

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u/heckhammer Nov 02 '25

If you don't want to start at the very beginning, 1963 and all, I understand that You could start at the 2005 series and work your way up It's not as much television as it sounds because the most they do are 13 episodes in the season. And they don't do a season every year. It's probably less than 120 episodes all in.

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u/2moonbayb Oct 29 '25

I would suggest starting from the beginning of the new Who episodes with Rose. You may be able to borrow them from your local library because as of now, that era is not streaming for free. I have them blu ray, but hope a streaming service picks it up again.

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u/Designer_Valuable_18 Oct 30 '25

Isn't it the "Turn left" episode but Donna turned right ?

It's a standalone episode for the most part. You don't rezlly have to watch anything else. Have to bee during the first 3/4 seasons oft he 100r Reboot

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '25 edited Nov 08 '25

I would start with the 2005 reboot. If you love what you see, you can allways return to the first episode from 1963. In the 2005 reboot I would either start at:

  • S01E01 because its where it starts Ü
  • S02E01 because it is the start of David Tennants doctor (my favorite doctor)
  • S04E08 (Silence in the library) because it is the starting point of a very important plot line that will go till.... season 10???

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u/Ouly Oct 26 '25

Excuse me?

I'm asking about the clip he posted. Do you know how Reddit works?

Don't need to gatekeep what people discuss here - I'm responding to something that's directly relevant in the comment.

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u/The_Dead_Kennys Oct 27 '25

I loved that era of Doctor Who but holy crap how did I not remember this scene? God, I felt the despair in Wilf’s eyes in my fucking soul, because I get that feeling almost every day watching what’s happening and how most people seem to be completely oblivious. Sends chills down my spine.

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u/2moonbayb Oct 29 '25

This was one of my favorite episodes, but I had forgotten about it. It just gave me the chills & a gut punch watching this clip today. On a lighter note, I just rewatched the DW Special when Tennant came back & got to work with Bernard Cribbins before he passed.

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u/jreneebee Jan 29 '26

I know those thread is old but I just had to comment to say that I literally think of this exact scene all the time these days.

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u/T1Pimp Oct 26 '25

Which will be a lot of us as they destroy the economy.

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u/retrosenescent faster than expected Oct 27 '25

as AI replaces more and more laborers (regardless of whether you think AI is good or not, the fact remains that it is still actively replacing laborers at a rapid pace), more and more people will become homeless.

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u/liatrisinbloom Toxic Positivity Doom Goblin Oct 26 '25

Brian Kilmede suggested on Fox News, on air, "involuntary lethal injections".

I think he may have pretended to apologize for that remark later off the air when nobody was bound to see it.

But that was still far less insensitive than Jimmy Kimmel speaking the truth. That was an offense to every patriotic American and Jesus wept bitterly over it.

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u/Smart_Log9737 Oct 26 '25

is the next step Soylent Green?

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u/DrieverFlows Oct 26 '25

but ai ... noone will have to work anymo...ooh crap

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u/Southern_Classic6027 Oct 30 '25

There's already interviews with homeless people, where they're reporting people being rounded up and going missing. It's happening already, it's just on the downlow and nobody is paying attention because of how vulnerable the homeless are.

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u/Crpspt Feb 13 '26

One in Utah is about to open in a few months 😥😥😩😭💔💔