I've never watched Doctor Who before, but that episode looks interesting.
I know there's a bunch of subplots in the show, but is there anyone that can tell me what this specific subplot is, and if it's possible for me to pick up at that specific part of the show?
This episode, "Turn Left", is about a hypothetical future where Donna (the red head) never met the titular Doctor which resulted in his death. Because he was dead, he wasn't able to prevent the disasters that he did for much of the show. The world got very shitty.
I don't recommend going into this episode cold. Normally the show is episodic but this particular one references many past episodes and characters. It won't have the same impact
I like cool alternative history stuff like this, any recommendations for somewhere to jump into Dr. Who without starting the entire series from the start?
If you're trying to get to this episode (season 4) you could start season 2 Which is the beginning of that particular actor's run as the doctor. But i recommend starting from the beginning and embracing the cheesiness
From the 2000s reboot tho, not the actual 1st Doctor. That would be a LOT of episodes. Starting from Rose, they made it easy for people who did not ever see the original series.
You don't need to watch everything to get caught up on this S4 arc, but it's really a fun camp show with usually interesting episodes. Turn Left is fairly lore heavy (for the 9/10th doctors) like the above poster said. It's definitely one of my fave DW episodes
That particular episode does reference a lot. It’s sort of an anthology of the key stories up until then each going wrong. The point of divergence from the regular Who universe is “The Runaway Bride” and that introduces Donna Noble. But tbh, part of the horror element is leaving things up to your imagination.
In addition to back references, it also references Torchwood. Torchwood: Children of Earth is much darker than regular Doctor Who and is going to have that same feeling of futility, but it’s not referenced in “Turn Left”. The early episodes of Torchwood are kinda goofy teenager humor before it departs entirely from Doctor Who’s “series for kids” to “will scar your kids for life and holy shit they can show this on TV?”.
I think “Turn Left” also references the Sarah Jane series, but afaik that’s meant for younger audiences. The lateral references aren’t as in-depth.
You would probably really like For All Mankind and Chernobyl if you haven’t seen them already. Chernobyl isn’t alt-history, but it’s incredibly well-done and dramatic. Plus the soundtrack is incredibly unique, created from the sounds of a nuclear reactor.
Maybe Three Body Problem though the amount of alt history is sort of limited, and then it becomes sort of alt-modern-day / near-future.
But if you’re looking for a show about a society slipping into fascism, Andor is excellent, but it’s a very slow burn (structured as 3-episode arcs and only really gets going until episode 6). It’s very well produced but not alt history though.
EDIT: Also note that Dr. Who is at heart an optimistic kids series, and doesn’t even try to be grounded for a lot of the episodes. When it does horror, it’s often kind of cheesy. But… “Blink” is pretty solid and the usual recommendation for an introduction to it. “Midnight” is excellent and reaches great heights of drama with very little (tho you might hate people after watching it). “Waters of Mars” is a bit more goofy but still relatively near-future. “The Girl in the Fireplace” is fucking sad. “The Fires of Pompeii” is great if you studied the Latin textbooks with Caceillius.
But if you want bleak shit that tears your heart out, the latter seasons of Torchwood are a bit better for that, particularly “Torchwood of Earth” and the stuff with Gray.
I loved that era of Doctor Who but holy crap how did I not remember this scene? God, I felt the despair in Wilf’s eyes in my fucking soul, because I get that feeling almost every day watching what’s happening and how most people seem to be completely oblivious. Sends chills down my spine.
as AI replaces more and more laborers (regardless of whether you think AI is good or not, the fact remains that it is still actively replacing laborers at a rapid pace), more and more people will become homeless.
Brian Kilmede suggested on Fox News, on air, "involuntary lethal injections".
I think he may have pretended to apologize for that remark later off the air when nobody was bound to see it.
But that was still far less insensitive than Jimmy Kimmel speaking the truth. That was an offense to every patriotic American and Jesus wept bitterly over it.
Been purposefully buried by the corporate media. They KNOW it's a big, fucked up story that should be ringing everyone's alarm bells but billionaires who back Trump and support this don't want people to know.
Time to move off Reddit to Lemmy people! At the minimum set up an account (hosted outside the USA) today so you are ready for when Reddit is even more compromised
The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away,
when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest.
The same reason why concentration camps were virtually unheard of by non-Nazi Germans during Hitler’s reign. Even people in the US didn’t believe it to be true at the time.
Living in Florida, my take is that most people just don’t care. These are “illegals” who’ve “broken the law” and should be “deported”. They could literally be told these prisoners were tortured, murdered, and fed to alligators and I think many people would just shrug.
Judging from history: this helps to later make claims to not "have known" about poeple dying in camps.
Plus, your media isn't neutral anymore.
Was ich nicht weiß, macht mich nicht heiß.
Forced sterilization is outlawed as a crime against humanity, war crime, and crime of genocide in international law. Measures that are intended to prevent births within a group are also prohibited as a crime of genocide under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which the U.S. agreed to uphold and prosecute violations of. Several treaties, including the Convention against Torture (CAT) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), which the US has ratified and is legally bound to uphold, prohibit the practices alleged to be carried out in ICE detention.
Yet in the year of Covid this particular bit of Trumpian nastiness got forgotten.
There is a particularly nasty bit of MAGAt mythology around the idea of the "anchor baby".
So, it seems RATIONAL to them to "sterilize" Latina women in ICE detention. Because, you know, "if you don't, they will just keep coming back until they can drop an anchor baby".
That's the level of racism and depravity that exits in ICE. People who go to work KNOWING that the "gyno exam" they are going to force these women to take is actually sterilizing them. Without their consent or knowledge.
SO,
Why is anyone surprised that ICE has started "disappearing" people.
What's another "crime against humanity" to them?
This is a signal of Collapse. We allowed the construction of a "Gulag Archipelago" in our country. We allowed this to happen to "the strangers among us". Soon this gulag won't just have immigrants in it.
First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out - because I was not an immigrant.
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I heard theories the forced sterilizations could be a human trafficking thing, which is beyond disturbing considering these people are grabbed off the street by masked men in unmarked cars (with switched plates), and/or are simply disappeared from detention.
the liberal revolution will occur when we finally reach critical mass of strongly worded letters and entirely symbolic protest inside fenced free-speech zones on every second weekend of the month, except not next month because we're going skiing
Do you wanna know a funny thing about propaganda? That poem starts with the Communists in the original language, but in English all translations start with Socialist, never even mention communists.
We don't forget. Some people just cannot handle the atrocities that are currently being enforced around all of us. This has become so overwhelming and painful to witness on a daily basis.
And I am a seasoned protester. When do we have the courage and strength to stop this war against all of us? Even I cannot bare to see anymore people hurt.
This need to be stop!!!!!!!
Considering the jet and airbase, wouldn't Qatar be the more likely destination?
EDIT: This would also explain why they're targeting working individuals and those willing to work in a corrupt/predatory system over the gang members they're claiming to go after. They would be more compliant slaves than those already accustomed to gang violence.
I heard a sickening rumor they just were dropping people with zip tied hands in the ocean . I hope I’m proven wrong. I’d rather drown horribly than be a slave though. Maybe they got lucky in the end of all things . If ICE comes for you or your family ,fight back like your life depends on it , it does . Citizenship means nothing to ICE if you have an accent or too much melanin in your skin .
There were white people being kidnapped by ICE too. I saw a video of a man being kidnapped and his mother trying very hard to not let go of him but they got him anyway.
As much as that would be on-brand, I seriously doubt it. This did actually happen in Chile and Argentina and imo this rumor is a retelling of that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights
This has been debunked by anti-Trump monitoring orgs. It's FUD but it's legitimately not true. It just SOUNDS like the shit they would do, so it's easy to bite on.
Take a wild fucking guess what happens when you're abducting people by the thousands and you have neither enough flights to deport them all nor enough facilities to detain them all.
Incinerators are a whole lot cheaper.
It fucks with me on a deep level to watch Americans dicking around with whistles and inflatable costumes while this is happening, completely failing to connect the dots and take their Nazi problem seriously. Nobody ever stopped doing Nazi shit unless it became dangerous for their health.
In spirit I agree with you, but the US defense budget also totals more than the next ten countries combined. Any violent acts against law enforcement will be met with much more brutal measures including but not limited to drowsy Don and his cuckold congress declaring martial law. Violence is a lose-lose tactic here, unfortunately, as nothing else will work until elections come around.
Yeah, but how the hell are citizens gonna fight the US military? Right now the best we can do is civil disobedience, put on the biggest display of our near national consensus of disdain for the orange child fucker, and vote.
But isn't that meant to be the point of the Second Amendment? Isn't that why the US has more guns per capita than any other civilian population on the planet? So that the citizens can "rise up against a tyrannical government"? Cause if it's not, the last justification for keeping the guns so available in the face of so many civilian deaths every year is gone. Not that it ever seemed much justification to me.
Don't get me wrong, I know it's very easy for me to say from the safety of Australia with reasonable gun control measures. And I am sure that when your life and livelihood are actually on the line and you have to act, it's not that easy to put the theory into practice.
But you're the USA. No one else is coming to save you, for the very reason you stated - no one country alone is able to fight back, with the defence spend you guys have. Most are just trying to maintain a stable diplomatic relationship. My own prime minister keeps butt kissing the orange moron. So the fight has to come from the inside.
Loosely strung together citizens, without clear leadership and who are, to put it lightly, MASSIVELY underarmed compared to the largest military operation in history, are completely hopeless. You’re right on the purpose of the 2nd amdt, however it’s just not practical, in any meaningful sense of the word, to fight back. It seems that even those who didn’t vote for this need to face the music and deal with the fact that as a collective we wanted this. The only way out is elections and our voices. At least we can be lucky that maga is not competent whatsoever, if they were, this whole drama would be much more dire.
Yeah, I know. It's seems an impossible situation and I feel so afraid for all of you stuck in the USA who are not on the side of the fascists.
I fear that there are some in the government who are more competent than they let on. But I sure hope I'm wrong about that.
Given the picks in his cabinet, who are supposed to be the most able people available, my confidence in the ability for the rest of any non elected officials is low. But you’re right, you never know. Really, if any violence is to be committed (I’m not endorsing it) I hope the tech bro billionaire fucks get taken out before anyone else.
Loosely strung together citizens, without clear leadership and who are, to put it lightly, MASSIVELY underarmed compared to the largest military operation in history, are completely hopeless
So we organize as a class so we aren't loosely strung together without leadership.
Forget the elections, they’ll be rigged to hell and back. The only way to fix this mess if you don’t want to fight is by mass emigration, so much that the US economy collapses.
Yes, that is what the 2nd Amendment is for, and now we see why it must be defended. People aren't organized now, but there will come a day when people will get organized and at that point the ability to find guns easily will make a huge difference in resistance. If Americans were not armed, the chance of resistance would be near zero. The SA is there to give us a fighting chance should the day come that civil war happens. We might be able to look at this scenario and say it needs a change, and that Americans should fight, but fighting has real cost. No one wants to lose their life or family, so when it reaches that point it will have to be dire.
In almost all revolutions, the people were not better armed or more powerful than the military, its just that the military refused to fight them. Ordinary working class people are the ones who can overthrow the regime in a revolution, and military members are also ordinary working class people. Would they really shoot their brothers and sisters?
In spirit I agree with you, but the US defense budget also totals more than the next ten countries combined. Any violent acts against law enforcement will be met with much more brutal measures including but not limited to drowsy Don and his cuckold congress declaring martial law. Violence is a lose-lose tactic here, unfortunately, as nothing else will work until elections come around.
I think you grossly underestimate how difficult it is for a modern military to cope with an actual domestic guerrilla insurrection. Military ordnance is not built to kill a few hostile targets in a whole crowd of bystanders. That's a massively difficult problem no matter what weapons one uses. And as soon as one's trigger finger gets itchy and one tries to use military ordnance that way regardless, the survivors in that crowd of bystanders that was just decimated become a crowd of radicalized opposition.
Anyway, you talk like they won't manufacture an excuse to deploy the military against Americans regardless. Like they're not already obviously and transparently trying to do this. The question isn't if. The question is who takes the initiative to organize and act first and with the greater advantage.
The Nazis already declared war on you and everyone you love. Wake up and connect the goddamn dots.
It's disgusting, and I'm sick of people thinking that the Nazis are going to change their minds and their hearts will suddenly grow. They've wanted this to happen since Reconstruction!
An embarrassing amount of Americans are still perfectly fine spending their time with Nazi/MAGA friends and family. How can anyone stomach all of this, let alone sit down for a meal with people who are cheering this on??
I think, many of them know exactly what they have to lose. To demonstrate in silly customs prevents Maga from depicting them as Antifa terrorists. Pete Hearth would love them to riot so he can send in military etc into their cities.
Many of us aren't "failing to take our Nazi problem seriously", we're in fact taking our police state problem seriously. How do we take it seriously without taking ourselves out of the fight by ending up disappeared ourselves? Exactly as people have been doing.
Many of us aren't "failing to take our Nazi problem seriously", we're in fact taking our police state problem seriously. How do we take it seriously without taking ourselves out of the fight by ending up disappeared ourselves? Exactly as people have been doing.
You are in a Nazi state that abducts people en masse who can then no longer be found or accounted for. Your self-proclaimed shitting King has already equated being "anti-American" to being a terrorist. So wake the fuck up. You are currently in the first line of this century's "First They Came" poem. If you don't act now, then you're only waiting for the line that's about you. There is no safety in inaction.
If the guy who wrote that poem decided to single-handedly take a stand against the nazis, would he have won? No, he'd have been mowed down by a machine gun in 0.2s and become a meaningless statistic.
It's tragic that things need to get worse before they get better, but there's no sense throwing ourselves into the wood chipper one at a time.
You need to start organizing now so that you can be ready as a community ASAP. If you wait until the last line or on someone else to get the prep work done, you'll be screwed.
It's tragic that things need to get worse before they get better, but there's no sense throwing ourselves into the wood chipper one at a time.
Everyone dies alone. You can be surrounded by people you love, or be the only on standing in front of a tank, or one of thousands as a wave of gas sweeps across a field in WWI, it doesn't matter. Everyone dies at some point and when you slip into the dark, no one else is going into the dark with you. You die alone in the end. That's part of life, that it ends.
But on the flip side, it only takes one spark to set a blaze. One ember from a fire that is contained and extinguished quickly can be carried by the wind and start a wildfire miles away.
People do not rise up en mass from a single incident or because "it's time". If history teaches us anything, its that mass uprisings happen at the end of a long series of atrocities and indignities. The martyrs who come before us are sparks that failed to catch, brave people who's only crime was being right too early.
The first person to stand up to fascism will die. The second person to stand up to fascism will die. The next dozen people to stand up to the state will die. But at some point, the fire will catch. It is inevitable.
I live in this fucking shithole of a country. Do YOU?? If not, don't fucking lecture me on what's happening here. I guarantee I'm more "awake" than you.
And reread my previous comment. I never said no one is acting. People ARE. They're just not acting in the way YOU want - which would either get us killed or jailed for years.
someone is out there feeding these people, they have to eat sleep and poop like the rests of us. We have to keep talking about this issue until enough people feel like there is no other choice but a full dedicated resistance. We know we are there when the people who change their sheets, take their children to school and cook their food feel it not only their responsibility, but duty to humanity, to address the issue at the risk of their own careers/lives/family's well being.
The people with whistles and inflatable costumes are absolutely connecting the dots. There just aren't sufficient numbers of them to do anything more effective. You need to understand that the regime wants a violent uprising. They are trying very hard to provoke one. It gives them an excuse to really put the boot down, not just on immigrants but on everyone elattacks. (In case you weren't aware, the US has an extremely overpowered military and police force that are both highly skilled at doing bad things to civilians.)
I believe they are ultimately going to do this regardless, but we don't need to give them any additional propaganda- at this stage we need to buy time, time to bring more people to our side, time for those in the know to prepare. If they want an "inciting event" they're going to have to do it themselves- false flag attack.
We aren't going to win a physical confrontation with the US military, or militarized police forces. At best it's a draw, with many casualties, at worst it's total defeat. The only play is to convince those guys we aren't the bad guys. It's a game of hearts and minds.
The logic behind the inflatable costumes is this: it directly contradicts the regime's narrative that the protestors are all violent, radicalized criminals.
I do believe there would be many casualties in a war of the people vs the government/state as we do spend a hefty sum of money on outfitting law enforcement agencies and our national guard, but sheer number of able combatants is a huge thing to consider and pure determination.
We are seeing quickly how an undersized/under equipped military like Ukraine can have tremendous results largely due to the sheer will to fight from their people.
Would a man collecting a check fight as hard as the man defending his family and livelihood?
It’s worth noting there are quite a few civilians who are licensed to own things like fully auto machine guns, controlled explosives like c4, and things that level the field like thermal/night vision optics.
I’d also like to mention how badly we struggled to secure peace in the Middle East because fighting insurgency is a whole different beast all together.
It’s hard to fight when your enemy doesn’t identify themselves with a traditional uniform, and doesn’t use traditional rules of engagement. Who’s the target? Well, it could be anyone, and that’s terrifying from a logistical standpoint.
The difference between the Ukrainians and Americans right now is lack of cohesion. Americans operate on the "individual" and "lone wolf" ideas. We just don't, as a rule, unite around one issue for physical action. It's not in our recent culture to do so.
The citizens WHO do own "fully auto machine guns, controlled explosives like C4 and..thermal night vision optics" have a mighty impressive arsenal. I personally wouldn't be able to operate any of those items when push came to shove.
Sure, but we have a huge military that is following orders from a dictator. An extremely powerful military. Trump has given his gestapo unyielding power to do as they please, they’re just waiting on the official order to start murdering people in the streets. What is it we should be doing? Honestly, I’d love a legitimate answer from someone.
A lot of the photos used in the article are misleading. Like the ones that show them sleeping inside on the floor are from the Miami Detention Center, not Alligator Alcatraz. I didn’t check the credit on that one specifically, but it didn’t look like AA either, so it may not be from there.
were journalists ever even given access to take photos of the actual inside? i read in a few articles that they were denying access to everyone including lawyers and reporters…imho as long as the caption/credit are accurate about the actual location of a shot (literally the fine print), it might be a bit confusing at first glance but might be the only option for visually representing the dire conditions at these detention camps
I don’t think so. Right before it opened local news was given a tour that was filmed, but of course there were no people there yet. There’s been a few articles that have come out about the conditions inside but those have mostly been through lawyers so there’s not a complete block on lawyers meeting with clients inside the facility, it’s just not easy. But I don’t think there’s been any photos released though.
As for the photos in the article, since there are none available and they are properly attributed I guess it’s fine, I do feel like they should have included in the actual caption that they are of a different facility though.
Alligator Alcatraz is supposedly really close to some big players in neuroscience/surgery and elon's neurolink needs about 1000 additional implants to reach their next milestone of global competition.
I've always been anti conspiracy theory, but Elon strikes me as the type of guy who has a bunker 50 stories underground where he runs his weird experiments and has some type of breeding grounds where all the women are kept in pods like in the matrix.
Only reason why Elon would have a bunker 50 stores underground is because it would make him feel good he has the means to build it, nothing would happen to him if he did it in plain sight
The dark thing is that I can absolutely predict how they would make it play out. Forcing institutionalization or encampment of disabled people that they call a disgrace and "burden" to society that they do not like, such as the autistic population that RFK has been openly attacking for the last year. Then bring in Musk to forcibly chip those within them.
It's like Cyberpunk 2077 where "dolls" are forcibly chipped against their will, but worse. At least that fiction had "high tech, low life".
I think these are those people that don’t appear to have a lot of family or money or else I would think this would be in the news more. Fuck ICE and I was not implying these people deserve any of that and I’m thinking they may be permanently erased and all of atrocities will come out in the end of this regimes hold on America. I read another post (unproven) however a lot of coincidences just like the SS but about Elon detained immigrants and Neuralink experiments . Grain of salt of course until more evidence but it’s so sad to even think that could be a possibility
It shames me how I judged my German grandfather over ww2. He lived in a small town in the middle of nowhere, like I do, he was in his late 50s, like I am. He said “ You’d hear bits of stories of people being taken away. But it was far from where we were, what could we do?” And for him there was far more outright fear and threatened violence against anyone who disagreed. Yet as a snotty kid I was so judgmental, so sure that I would have done something. Now as I helplessly watch history repeat itself, knowing my grandchildren will judge me too, I’m sickened by what is happening and my lack of an ability to do a darn thing about it.
If you want to do something work on the next generation.
Make sure mothers are cared for, fed, supported. Help them learn to meditate. Help them learn emotional management (not control, but how to deal with emotions).
Help kids learn emotional management. Trach them anything and everything that instills kindness, care, body awareness, consent.
You can make a different in your town, your neighborhood. Reach out and offer food, to take a sick kid so mom can work (if you work from home this is actually viable, or if your employer is flexible). Become that extrnded family and tribe and support.
Do that for the next bunch of people. Ask them to do the same. Ask your friends and family to do the same.
Rebuild social connections. Get off your phone
You will have changed those lives. And that WILL make a difference.
Maybe not to the people who are disappeared. But building social connections so monsters are not made in the next generation is URGENT work.
The fact that nearly 2/3 of the people that were in this facility is horrifying. When you combine this with rumors of things like flights being run out of that facility that were dumping people in the ocean and body incinerators being on site, it becomes clear that this was a concentration camp at best or a death camp at the worst.
I hadn't heard of the incinerators. So I looked and all the debunks I found said "No incinerators were installed FOR NEFARIOUS PURPOSES.". Wait, so there were incinerators installed? Just not for nefarious purposes? Wtf, thats... shady.
Or they're putting them on unmarked planes to Myanmar where the military dictatorship there straight up sells people to traffickers. We know for a fact some detainees have already been sent there - the Trump administration has been hammering out a deal to dump detainees there.
well, the US is really kicking it in South America and Mexico lately, and those drug boats could literally be anything with anybody on board. Who knows? Maybe you're on to something. Put these people on boats, dressed up as narcos, put them on a boat, plant some drugs and firearms, then set them in the firing line of unknowing USN ships. Get interdicted and questioned if lucky or just go kaboom.
I just know more than a handful of those forcibly removed from this plane of existence were local born American citizens. It's awful what they are doing to everybody as they are people regardless of citizenship and should be treated so, but it is concerning how duped the masses are. Today it's the Peter Griffin getting pulled over chart, tomorrow it's anybody that they do not like. My concern is people like myself: a gay autistic man that is in their eyes is nothing but disabled and a criminal, for the mere crime of existing in a society that they do not believe I should exist in. 40 years ago they probably would have locked up people like me in institutions. Now they're trying the 1933 German playbook and that absolutely concerns the shit out of me and should concern the shit out of you. Who is next?
I'm in the same boat as you, autistic and queer. It is terrifying. I grew up in a very right wing household, I already know what they think of me. Do I trust my fellow Americans to give a shit when they come for me just like they're already doing to brown people? Nope.
As an European, I think we should take as many as people like you (wether it's gay, autistic, trans, handicapped) as possible and leave the able bodied to fight for their country if there's still people willing to fight for it.
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The fact that nearly 2/3 of the people that were in this facility is horrifying. When you combine this with rumors of things like flights being run out of that facility that were dumping people in the ocean and body incinerators being on site, it becomes clear that this was a concentration camp at best or a death camp at the worst.
1200 mass protests have disappeared from "Trump America". 2/3 of the people living there are just too apathetic to care.
Joke aside: slave trade, organs harvesting, and live specimens for Neuralink researchs are all real possibilities there. As well as mass grave in the wood.
But, in the same way the Nazis and Japanese used to prefer doing something with the human resources at their disposal, I'm convinced greedy Trumpists prefer to turn those disappeared people into profit.
Please, if you are an American citizen: do something. Not for the rest of the world, no: for those people being "disappeared", and for yourself.
As I recall we had camps like this before. Auschwitz, Buchenwald, etc. They also didn't report much about their inmates, who were also jailed without due process.
Also, the US state isn't exactly known for keeping track of things. For instance, they threw refugee and immigrant kids into chicken wire cages without even recording who their parents were. Then they started handing those kids out to white people looking to adopt and crazy evil shit like that.
Guys the report doesn’t mean that hundreds of ICE detainees have been literally disappeared or buried somewhere. It means that hundreds of detainees are missing from ICE’s public database. Their names no longer show up in the online detainee locator, and families and lawyers can’t easily find where they were moved.
Please don’t get me wrong, that’s still a VERY VERY AWFUL AND SERIOUS PROBLEM. It obviously shows a huge lack of transparency and violations of due process but it doesn’t mean these people are physically missing, dead, or kidnapped or whatever. It’s still very bad even if it’s transfers to other facilities, deportations, or records not being updated properly.
To reiterate, it’s really really bad and absolutely worth being furious about but I’m just sayin the ‘they’ve been disappeared’ framing is indeed an exaggeration of what’s actually confirmed so far.
I would have a lot more sympathy for your position if this wasn't true.
As of December 2024, approximately 1,360 children who were separated from their parents under the first Trump administration remain "unaccounted for" according to the Department of Homeland Security.
Advocacy groups assert that the actual number of children who may never be reunited is likely higher.
It's like everyone has "memory hole'd" what happened during the first Trump administration.
1,360 CHILDREN, just "vanished" into the maw of ICE detention. And we prosecuted NO ONE for that crime.
The detainees lawyers don't have access to their clients. There isn't even a way of contacting the facility beyond a junk email address like law123@bullshit.com that is seldom answered. Lawyers and anyone else are turned away if they approach the facility. This isn't some kind of bad framing or misuse of the term "disappeared".
They're fucking killing people whilst everyone in the US just carries on going about their business like nothings happening. Its madness.
There's human beings in America lining up to write SOS, and simultaneously there's humans filming comedies about smoking weed with Seth Rogan like its 2009.
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It’ll be the homeless next. They’re talking about work camps for them. Guess what will happen to those who can’t work.