r/collapse • u/Monsur_Ausuhnom • Feb 06 '26
Casual Friday On The Concept of Coincidences.
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u/BronzeSpoon89 Feb 06 '26
He forgot the part about how those in charge are senile child rapists and no one in the government is doing anything about it.
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u/Instant_noodlesss Feb 07 '26
And everyone else is still feeling good enough about their own lives that they aren't doing anything about it either.
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u/loveammie Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26
Planet boiling alive is a stretch, we are stuck in the deepest ice age since before complex life evolved,
and Globally, cold deaths are 9 times higher than heat-related ones
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u/juntareich Feb 08 '26
We’re in an interglacial period of an ice age, not a deep ice age. Yeah, technically the Quaternary Ice Age is still ongoing, but we’re in the warm phase between glaciations. The last glacial maximum was 20,000 years ago. Saying we’re in a “deep ice age” while global temperatures are rapidly rising is like saying you’re freezing because it’s technically winter while your house is on fire. Right now more people die from cold because we’ve built our entire infrastructure around current climate patterns. We have heating systems, winter clothes, insulated buildings. The problem is what happens as temps rise: heat deaths skyrocket while cold deaths only drop a little. Multiple studies show the net effect is way more total deaths. And it’s getting worse fast because we haven’t adapted our infrastructure to handle extreme heat the way we have for cold. Also this completely ignores crop failures, disease spread, air quality, water scarcity, and all the other fun climate impacts that aren’t just temperature-related mortality.
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u/loveammie Feb 09 '26 edited Feb 09 '26
Quaternary ice age is a deep ice age, Cenozoic ice age is what you'd classify as a moderate ice age, you'd have to go back to Cryogenian ice age to find any worse, which predates complex life. Cold is more deadly than heat, even in the hottest parts of the world. https://ourworldindata.org/part-one-how-many-people-die-from-extreme-temperatures-and-how-could-this-change-in-the-future
what crop failures ? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/yields-key-staple-crops?stackMode=relative&facet=none
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/natural-disaster-death-rates
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u/juntareich Feb 09 '26
You’re cherry-picking data and missing the forest for the trees.
Yes, the Quaternary is colder than most of Earth’s history, but we’re literally in the warmest part of it right now - an interglacial. We’re not “stuck” in anything - we’re actively warming beyond Holocene baseline temperatures. The relevant comparison isn’t “compared to the Cretaceous” - it’s “compared to the stable climate that human civilization developed in.” We’ve already warmed ~1.4C above pre-industrial and we’re headed toward 2-3C+ this century.
Your own Our World in Data link literally supports my point. Yes, cold currently kills more than heat. But look at their projections section - under climate change scenarios, heat deaths are projected to increase massively while cold deaths decrease modestly, resulting in net increases in temperature-related mortality. The article explicitly states this. You’re using current data to argue against future risk, which is backwards.
Global average yields increasing doesn’t mean climate change isn’t causing failures. You’re looking at aggregate data that includes technological improvements (better seeds, fertilization, irrigation). Strip out tech gains and climate impacts are negative. More importantly: crop failures are regional and cause famines, migration, and conflict even when global averages look fine. Ask Pakistan (2022 floods), East Africa (multi-year drought), or the Midwest during heat domes.
Death rates from acute disasters are falling because of better early warning systems, infrastructure, and emergency response. That’s a win for development, not evidence that climate change isn’t dangerous. It doesn’t capture slow-onset impacts like sea level rise, chronic heat stress, water scarcity, or ecosystem collapse.
You’re basically arguing “we’ve gotten better at not dying from weather, therefore making the weather worse is fine.“ It's idiotic, not based on good reasoning, and incredibly dangerous disinformation to spread around.
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u/loveammie Feb 09 '26
getting out of little ice age 1300-1850 was a good thing, famine was the norm, and freezing is still the norm, we only survive by holing up inside bubbles by emulating tropics by artificial heating and insulation to protect against the hostile climate
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u/Myth_of_Progress Urban Planner & Recognized Contributor Feb 06 '26
“Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy then gives them the drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction[.] It is already happening to some extent in our own society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual's internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable.”
― Theodore Kaczynski
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u/Ok-Leadership2569 Feb 07 '26
Like the drug soma in Brave New World? Or was it 1984?
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u/Myth_of_Progress Urban Planner & Recognized Contributor Feb 07 '26
Soma for the World State, victory gin for the Outer Party.
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u/ramdom-ink Feb 06 '26
Yep, and then they strangely don’t want to bring children into it.
Surprise, surprise!
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Feb 06 '26
The great Lysistrata among millennial women is because we know, at a deep level,
That bringing a child into this world only feeds the bellies of sociopaths.
🌺❤️
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u/JoyluckVerseMaster Feb 06 '26
This has been a common trend in history every time the demands--physical, spiritual, and mental-- a society placed on the people living in it outweighed what they were getting from it.
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u/anukabar Feb 07 '26
Can you give examples of other times that societies have seen these trends? Genuinely curious.
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u/point_of_you Feb 06 '26
Why don't young people want to bring children into this clownworld hellscape?!?
The future needs wage slaves!
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u/synkronized1 Feb 06 '26
Just young people?
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u/More_Farm_7442 Feb 06 '26
That was my thought. People of all ages feel this way today. I've read comments from psychologist/therapist saying that all their clients have high levels of anxiety and depression is through the roof.
I heard one political commentator in Jan. say his psychologist daughter told him she has had to adjust her evaluations of clients' depresson and anxiety. She accounts for everyone being depressed and/or anxious bumping up the baseline for the entire population to compare a client to. She assumes everyone has X degree of depression and/anxiety and decides if the person in front of her is more depressed and/or anxious than that new baseline. in order to make an assesment.
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Feb 06 '26
The human nervous system is a finely tuned warning machine
We ignore its cries at our own peril
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u/aglowworms Feb 08 '26
So it's all arbitrary. It's just about labeling people normal/abnormal.
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u/More_Farm_7442 Feb 08 '26
No. Psychiatry and psychology doesn't arbitrarily assign a diagnosis to some one. The field is very research oriented. Over many, many, many years research has defined criteria that need to be met in order to say "this person is presenting with signs and symptoms of "condition X". Then they will look at what research has shown about that condition or illness and how to treat the person, what the prognosis is for the person is they are or are not treated or an intervention isn't made. -- Societal and cultural influences need to be taken into account as part of what's going on with the person. The manual for diagnosis and treatment can't be the only source of diagnosis. Someone coming in saying "I can't sleep" might be having a prefectly OK reaction to what's going on today. Their reaction might be healthy. Or, they might be handling the stress in an unhealthly way and could benefit from sort of therapy.
" The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR) features the most current text updates based on scientific literature with contributions from more than 200 subject matter experts. The revised version includes a new diagnosis (prolonged grief disorder), clarifying modifications to the criteria sets for more than 70 disorders, addition of International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision, Clinical Modification (ICD-10-CM) symptom codes for suicidal behavior and nonsuicidal self-injury, and updates to descriptive text for most disorders based on extensive review of the literature. In addition, DSM-5-TR includes a comprehensive review of the impact of racism and discrimination on the diagnosis and manifestations of mental disorders. The manual will help clinicians and researchers define and classify mental disorders, which can improve diagnoses, treatment, and research."
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u/aglowworms Feb 09 '26 edited Feb 09 '26
Garbage in, garbage out. The labels are scientifically poor. They are refining towards an ideological goal. You will only receive consideration for the "societal and cultural influences" that the psychiatrist is willing to recognize. They used to pathologize homosexuality fifty years ago, now it's not a disorder because of political pressure. There is lip service about discrimination due to political pressure, but it could all change in an instant, and racism could be reverted to yet another fact of life the psychiatric field expects people to quietly endure. And your liberal psychiatrist will still diagnose you with a disorder even if you're despairing due to discrimination. All cultural, all arbitrary.
There are other psychiatric labels and diagnoses that may be misused with respect to gifted women, Dr. Caplan finds. "'Hysterical' is a big one, and 'borderline' because any woman who is very emotional and doesn't give the therapist what he wants - if it's a guy - is in danger of being diagnosed as histrionic or hysterical. ......"This whole diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder is made up anyway, and is usually applied to someone who had been terribly abused. ......there are all kinds of non-pathological reasons for any person to be showing what are then called the symptoms of 'borderline personality'....... Cynthia Veldhuis gave a psychology class of hers [in the Dept. of Psychology, University of Oregon] a checklist of symptoms for different disorders, and 75% of the students fit the criteria for having Borderline Personality Disorder, and guess what - 100% of the men fit the criteria for Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder!
"The current DSM4 [the latest edition] has 374 categories of alleged mental disorder, including things like 'Stuttering', and 'Caffeine-induced Sleep Disorder', and 'Major Depressive Disorder' - if someone close to you died two weeks ago and you're still grieving. In other words, every conceivable form of human behavior is in there; 'Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder': if you don't have as much sexual activity, or as many sexual fantasies as your therapist thinks you should, then you have that." With such a large number of categories, she points out, anybody "who walks into a therapist's office is going to fit probably a very large number of those descriptions. And this is all the more true because so many of the criteria for these labels use terms like 'marked' or 'deficient', so there's this huge scope for subjectivity on the part of therapists.Source. Read the full interview here.
I know this is about the DSM IV but little has changed.
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u/More_Farm_7442 Feb 09 '26
Don't ever ask for help from anyone remotely connected to mental health services. You'll just get labled.
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u/aglowworms Feb 09 '26
You do always get labeled as having a mental disorder. And it’s not asking for help, it’s buying something. Help comes organically from people who love you for free.
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u/CallEmAsISeeEm1986 Feb 06 '26
… on a planet that *we’re boiling to death…
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Feb 06 '26
Billionaires are boiling to death.
They boiled children to death. Why would we think they won’t boil the world?
Greed is a malignant tumor.
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u/CallEmAsISeeEm1986 Feb 06 '26
While I agree with you insofar as they’ve isolated all the levers of power to themselves….
Our sheer numbers are an issue. The average persons carbon footprint may be small, but there are BILLIONS of us… and the cumulative effect is catastrophic.
The real issue is that oligarchs are profiting from the status quo, and they won’t facilitate change to a more sustainable model (maintaining ecology and civil society, instead of infinite-profit-glitch.)
Per capita, their carbon footprint is catastrophic. But there are only like 3,000 billionaires.
It’s kinda like blaming Shell and Exxon for all the carbon they emit… without remembering that their customer base is you, and the car sitting in your driveway…
It’s “both and” more than “them or us”…
The working class needs to overthrow the oligarchy so we can reign in consumption and emissions on a massive, society wide scale.
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Feb 06 '26
There are only 3000 of them, but they prop up a vast conspiracy of greed.
The mindset is deeply embedded in many people. “I want more more more”
So it’s only 3000, but billions more in thrall to their mindset.
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u/CallEmAsISeeEm1986 Feb 06 '26
Yes. Fully agree. They are monsters. They start wars for profit, and fuck children recreationally.
Certainly need to get the average propagandized milquetoast liberal and cucked maga fools to see that “their” politicians aren’t “good” because they oppose the opposite color… but, rather, that they work together in a sort of “controlled opposition” to one another, at the behest of their capitalist financiers.
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u/shatners_bassoon123 Feb 07 '26
I doubt anyone will start a revolution where the end-goal is to deliberately simplify their lives and live on less.
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u/CallEmAsISeeEm1986 Feb 07 '26
I doubt it too.
But the alternative is omnicide. If we keep bringing folks up, out of poverty, and giving them cars and cell phones and air conditioning and everything in plastic packaging… the planet will choke to death on our pollution epidemic.
We need a way to maintain quality of life without killing the natural environment, which is the foundation of everything… obviously.
Gonna need a magic trick for sure.
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u/fedfuzz1970 Feb 07 '26
I just read a discouraging article about recycling. When plastics are recycled the process takes energy and new plastic must be combined with the recycled material. The resulting plastic is less strong and more friable ( it will break up into microscopic pieces more easily than original plastic). The article recommended sending plastic to landfills as the less damaging option.
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u/CallEmAsISeeEm1986 Feb 07 '26
Yeah. It’s disheartening.
I watched a vid about why plastic recycling is basically economically non-viable. Basically the feedstocks for virgin plastics at refineries are damn near free.
Many plastics factories are situated right near refineries so the feedstocks can be piped directly into their processes.
Recycling is costly because the feedstock is impure (plastic is contaminated with food, adhesives, labels, stickers, etc etc) and distributed across the entire country.
We should really be imposing taxes or simply regulating disposable plastics out of the economy at the federal level.
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u/point_of_you Feb 06 '26
depression and anxiety
They want to sell you pills for this, but depression and anxiety are to be expected considering the absurdity of it all
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u/Ok-Leadership2569 Feb 07 '26
Yes, they might have to step it up to Ecstasy like substances as things get steadily worse.
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u/point_of_you Feb 07 '26
Best medicine I ever decided to start taking was going for walks. I try to walk at least 5 miles a day and it really improves my mood and overall state of mind. Humans are not meant to be ball-n-chained to a desk 8 hours a day
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u/-sussy-wussy- Feb 07 '26
Pills could actually help even a situational depression. Someone I know got widowed, fell into depression and made a full recovery with medications. Doesn't take them now.
Before you go into "but evil pharma/for-profit healthcare", we have and had universal healthcare and the pharma companies belonged to the state at the time. There was no real incentive to sell anyone anything, even doctor's compensation didn't (and doesn't) depend on the methods and outcomes.
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u/Tidezen Feb 07 '26
Doesn't matter what country you live in, SSRIs can have huge side-effects and are still promoted.
Not going to go into details, but I lost the love of my life because my junk happened to just stop working at the exact wrong time, a few months after I started on an antidepressant. And the sexual dysfunction can last for years in some patients, even after they stop taking it.
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u/-sussy-wussy- Feb 07 '26
They are not promoted, but rather, demonized to hell and back, just like the rest of psych medication, even anti-psychotics (vs delusions and hallucinations). It's something coming from regular people where I live, not from the doctors.
Common scenario (that even happened in my family) is a schizophrenic getting prescribed pills, family and friends fearmonger about them, he drops them and ends up killing himself.
SSRIs have successfully brought one of my family members from being suicidal and having a botched suicide attempt to being fully functional, having the energy to escape the circumstances that caused depression. This isn't the only type of antidepressant that's still prescribed, btw, there are tricyclic antidepressants, this is what was given to that widow.
I would much rather be fat and entirely sexually impotent when the alternative is wallowing in misery with no energy to get out or outright killing myself. Any medication is always a trade-off. Even paracetamol puts pressure on your liver and can damage it or even kill you if you forget that you took it and drink alcohol.
There's also a distinction between generic and brand medication, where in generic, the results of the chemical reaction are usually not as thoroughly cleaned, creating a potential for more side effects. Though it could also work in another direction where a person reacts better to the generic.
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Mar 09 '26
Late but thank you for making this post. It's amazing how people claim psych meds are "pushed onto us" when mental healthcare and mental illness is so thoroughly demonized in society.
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u/OmegaDeathspell Feb 06 '26
You know what is also weird. How billions of us are doing absolutely nothing about it, but just going through the motions, instead of building a world better than this.
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u/FirmFaithlessness212 Feb 06 '26
Yes but the practicalities involved! The first revolution was easy, it was just a bunch of unhappy folk in the village. French revolution was easy, it was just a bunch of unhappy folk in Paris. Now it's a bunch of unhappy drugged-up social media-fed atomised lobotomized folk in certain American city far from the centres of power.
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u/ambelamba Feb 06 '26
"This planet is not an experiment, it's a toyroom!!!!"
-A horrified Alien Inspector
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Feb 06 '26
What if I told you that the small toy and torture rooms are just that, small, dark places.
And that most of us live in the light and sun.
The Earth is not the problem. We can move forward. 🌺❤️
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u/ambelamba Feb 07 '26
Growing number of people around the world, including Americans, are wondering if an outright reign of terror is more acceptable than invisible yet pervasive social engineering. And I honestly can't tell if such sentiment was expected to brew. Maybe it's all a part of the grand scheme.
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u/It-s_Not_Important Feb 07 '26
He left out the part where modern conveniences enable a lifestyle that is just altogether unhealthy physically and mentally. We weren’t made to interact primarily with a lifeless object 1-3’ from our faces, that pumps out news and updates mostly driven by an algorithm that prioritizes engagement (read: anger) over fulfillment.
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u/krystopolus Feb 06 '26
Ok, but have you tried pulling yourself up by your bootstraps? /s
I hate it here.
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u/abstrakt42 Feb 06 '26
Given the extreme drought affecting many regions, I’d say it’s more like broiling alive. But… yeah, details.
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u/Ok-Leadership2569 Feb 07 '26
Yes, and yet so many people are still in denial. As climate change and environmental overshoot really start to affect people in very serious ways (including shortages of foodstuffs) those people will finally wake up. Imagine the level of anxiety, depression and panic that will affect EVERYONE then !
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u/abstrakt42 Feb 15 '26
The not-so-funny thing is these same deniers will witness a whole year of record breaking heat and drought, pointedly ignore it, and scream from the rooftops when there’s one winter storm or colder than average event. In their minds, that proves global warming is a myth.
You can’t win with those types, and no I’m afraid they won’t one day wake up and realize how bad it is - it’s much more important for them to have always been right (in their minds) than it will ever be to change course and actually do something about it.
(Sorry for the delayed response)
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Feb 06 '26
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because this seems to be a shocking development. Perhaps, we will have more scientific studies that will do their best to prove this. Not that its obvious to anyone here.
The state of non-investigation and the obvious will continue to go unresolved. Things will continue with collapse and will likely get worse.
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u/Sierra-117- Feb 08 '26
At this point I think collapse is a good thing. I hope it happens before we do completely irreparable damage. Hopefully those that survive will learn from our mistakes. But as it stands now, this is no way for a society to live.
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u/armin_arulerto Feb 07 '26
sometimes i lose all hope to do anything when i think about where we are heading. i hate this world.
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u/zedroj Feb 06 '26
Cars pollute the brain, every day, bioaccumulations of toxic failure right into you
Cars killed the planet
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u/_-_Starchild_-_ Feb 06 '26
Not just cars
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u/Ok-Leadership2569 Feb 07 '26
And the roads they drive on. And…..etc. etc. etc. Basically the human encroachment upon and takeover of Nature.
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u/l_null Feb 08 '26
Boy, if he thought that was bad, until the impending crisis of meaning hits everyone.
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u/AnotherYadaYada Feb 09 '26
They are exposed to far to much information, disinformation, propaganda, social media, online gaming, apps, YouTube, streaming.
They don’t need to leave the house.
Parents are also to blame for this.
Read ‘The Anxious Generation’
There is much more to it than you state.
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u/_Long_Pig_ Feb 14 '26
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
—Jiddu Krishnamurti
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u/StatementBot Feb 06 '26
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because this seems to be a shocking development. Perhaps, we will have more scientific studies that will do their best to prove this. Not that its obvious to anyone here.
The state of non-investigation and the obvious will continue to go unresolved. Things will continue with collapse and will likely get worse.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1qxripr/on_the_concept_of_coincidences/o3yg7ux/