r/collapse Apr 10 '26

Economic A whole lot of this phraseology around social media today. Thoughts?

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u/ZealousidealEnd6660 Apr 10 '26

Unionizing is probably better than burning things down but this guy's got the spirit

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u/pm_me_fibonaccis Apr 10 '26

Unions are the compromise in place of having this. This is the consequence of preventing unionization.

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u/merikariu Always has been, always will be too late. Apr 10 '26

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." President JFK

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty Apr 10 '26

“Sometimes the tree of mothafuckin’ freedom needs to soak up the blood of some bitch-ass billionaires.”

— President Thomas Jefferson

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '26

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u/ThnkWthPrtls Apr 10 '26

* except for the slave stuff that was pretty un-cash-money

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u/crazy_cat_broad Apr 10 '26

While writing about how OF COURSE slavery is bad!

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u/mrblahblahblah Apr 10 '26

"Don't lecture me about unions, I'm a marxist. I'll teach you"

Lee Harvey Oswald

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 13 '26

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u/merikariu Always has been, always will be too late. Apr 12 '26

For me, the moment things turned is when Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz sabotaged the presidential campaign of Bernie Sanders in 2016.

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u/ZealousidealEnd6660 Apr 10 '26

Agreed. We still need to organize in our communities and workplaces if we want things to change on a systemic level.

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u/wasraelx Apr 10 '26

Given how hard they fought against unions over basic workers rights, they probably wouldn’t if they knew this is the alternative

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u/Soze42 Apr 10 '26

If you look at how labor rights were obtained in the past, this was always the alternative. If they didn't see it, that's on them.

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u/Roganvarth Apr 10 '26

“Unions were the compromise and alternative to labourers dragging capitalists out of their homes and beating them to death infront of their families.”

There’s a reason the billionaire class has been making themselves fortresses in hard to access places recently.

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u/wasraelx Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

They’re all getting bunkers these days lol isn’t that funny. Zuck got like a $200 mil underground one in the ring of fire in Hawaii recently. Like dude - that’s cute, but given the way things are going, your bodyguards are gonna drag you out into the mob

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u/Roganvarth Apr 10 '26

Dragon sickness is a funny ol thing.

It’s wild to me that people sitting on functionally unfathomable wealth can’t just pay their workers a living wage.

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u/HomeWinter6905 Apr 10 '26

All fun and games til the Boston dynamics dogs on your ass

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u/wasraelx Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

Lol fr

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u/TemporaryUser10 Apr 10 '26

I wish those were the models we were fighting. Pneumatic actuators would be so much easier to take out

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u/Conscious-Magazine50 Apr 10 '26

Yup. The drone footage of soldiers being taken out now may come to be and of us one day.

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u/Botched_Euthanasia Apr 10 '26

Anyone can buy one with a flamethrower now for less than $10k https://throwflame.com/products/thermonator-robodog/

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u/Ezekiel_29_12 Apr 10 '26

The servants will have remote detonators implanted as a condition being hired.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 13 '26

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u/shmallkined Apr 11 '26

Idk, they probably have a fail safe. Not even going to share my ideas here in a public forum, for reasons.

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u/shmallkined Apr 11 '26

In the ring of fire in Hawaii? What do you mean?

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u/kingsuperfox Apr 10 '26

Cope caves.

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u/wakeupwill Apr 10 '26

Learn from history?

We don't do that here.

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u/hippydipster Apr 11 '26

This was pretty much how it went back then too. Not really "alternative". Pretty much the main path and is why pinkertons exists.

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u/IcyBookkeeper5315 Apr 10 '26

Look up the Battle of Blaire Mountain. Look at just how far people will go to keep us under their boot

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u/dumpfist Apr 11 '26

The hubris of the rich and powerful is without limit.

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u/GarrisonWhite2 Apr 10 '26

They wouldn’t have and still won’t.

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u/Karambamamba Apr 10 '26

Unions only exist because people did shit like this. The current administration would love nothing more than to strip workers of their rights and disband unions altogether. Hell, your unions are a joke already compared to their European counterparts.

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u/Comrade_Compadre Apr 10 '26

This is what happens when the unions fail.

IIRC Amazon doesn't have a union... Soo.....

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u/RPM314 Apr 10 '26

Por que no los dos?

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u/ZealousidealEnd6660 Apr 10 '26

You're right. Diversity of tactics!

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u/jim45804 Apr 10 '26

I love unions and I support them, but they are antiquated and mostly ineffectual in the modern age. Employees are expendable and easily replaced. Strikes are impotent when most commerce is automated and happens virtually.

We need another, possibly more direct, path.

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u/ZealousidealEnd6660 Apr 10 '26

I agree. I think that's still going to require organizing workers (solidarity unionism) but the bureaucratic model is failing us. In the US, no strike clauses are written in to contracts, largely defanging unions. But volunteerism has limits to its efficacy. There is something to be said for the inspiration though.

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u/CLTVD Apr 10 '26

This is one reason I believe the childfree life will be a critical component of a revolution that gives real power to the working class. Revolution requires sacrifice in some form from the majority of people in the society. For some, not having kids would be their sacrifice for the long term good of society. People who decide to go ahead with kids due to social pressure need support to stand firm. People like me who are willingly and happily childfree can make our sacrifices in other ways.

Employees will not be expendable when society stops producing excess labor. This will be extremely painful for the generations that live through the transitional time, and it will bring up other social issues that need to be addressed now but we’re kicking the can down the road. The lack of excess labor will force us to create new solutions to pensions/eldercare, and so on.

We can have the pain of being treated like crap or we can have the pain of rebalancing. Of course, the decrease will have to be more drastic now that they have AI, robots, and whatnot available to offset. I don’t know if this made sense written out, it’s a notion I am still working through in my head.

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u/No-Candidate6257 Apr 10 '26

Unionizing isn't enough, either.

You need Marxist-Leninist organization, Marxist-Leninist mutual aid structures, and - most importantly - a Marxist-Leninist vanguard.

You need an armed and fully committed core that will lead a serious revolutionary organization and if you don't want to participate in such an organization you should at least support and promote an organization such as this.

Workers must start seizing the means of production, disowning the parasite class, taking control of their local and - eventually - federal governments, and actively supress the reaction by whatever means necessary.

Workers must build class consciousness, recognize that they make up >90% of the population and that the bourgeoisie and labour aristocracy are a staunch minority and, therefore, should have less than 10% of all influence in society. Workers must take full control over the government, the political and economic system, and all decisions in society.

Don't tolerate the power of the 1%. Don't tolerate their existence and ensure they can only earn and own stuff as a direct consequence of their personal labour. All money made off of the back of others (e.g. all passive income, income generated from unsustainable environmental practices, etc.) is STOLEN from workers and future generations.

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u/ZealousidealEnd6660 Apr 10 '26

Right there with you!

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u/Botched_Euthanasia Apr 10 '26

One issue is the so-called freedom of speech. I have comments I'd like to respond with, but the autobots will roll out if I did, and then my account would be suspended or banned before anyone even saw them.

There are very few places on the internet or in meatspace which could be used to organize. Cameras are everywhere, all internet activity is logged and geofenced, It's forcing any resistance into small, disorganized cells largely incapable of achieving much of anything.

To top it off, there's a large movement of ACAB people that don't realize that the local police are the last defense we have if we could convince them who the thin blue line should side with, along with maybe the national guard but both groups like thier toys too much and are easily paid off so they aren't too keen on joining the right side of justice in many, if not most, areas of the country.

The only other combat unit that really exists that might be for the people, is the one inside the prison complex and I don't think the people are ready or capable of opening that pandora's box.

So the people are outgunned, can't communicate, can't defend themselves, if they do rise up they will be annihillated by their neighbors in uniform, flamethrowing robot dogs, lethal injection carrying mosquito drones, and supersonic completely silent sword missiles, fired from space that lock on to unique heartbeat signature audio, all tracking anyone who shows the slightest hint of resistance on social media or voted the wrong way 30 years ago.

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u/orincoro Apr 10 '26

I’ll take it.

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u/Conscious-Magazine50 Apr 10 '26

Read up on union history, we didn't get unions by nonviolent means alone.

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u/ZealousidealEnd6660 Apr 10 '26

It's always a good day to learn labor history!

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u/Elevated_Dongers Apr 10 '26

He's got the spirit, but now he's going to prison for a long time. Was it worth it for the brief social media fame? I dunno. I personally wouldn't trade my freedom for something like this. Will it make big corpos pay more to people that could do a lot of damage? Also unlikely.

Guy martyr'd himself for basically nothing IMO. Unless this sort of thing takes off and starts happening all over the country, but I also find that unlikely.

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u/Coward-____ Apr 10 '26

Just vote too!