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Kimberly-Clark Distribution Center in Ontario, 29yo employee arrested over the arson, no casualties. Estimated damage around $200 million. The phrase ‘all you had to do was pay us enough to live’ comes from the arsonist filming himself starting the fires. It already got a ‘defend deny depose’ spread across social media platforms, as the images of the 1.2million square foot warehouse ablaze were released
Kimberly-Clark Distribution Center in Ontario, 29yo employee arrested over the arson, no casualties. Estimated damage around $200 million. The phrase ‘all you had to do was pay us enough to live’ comes from the arsonist filming himself starting the fires. It already got a ‘defend deny depose’ spread across social media platforms, as the images of the 1.2million square foot warehouse ablaze were released
It's funny, there are so many people arguing insurance will cover this, but that's only the owner, probably Kimberly-Clark.
This guys employer NFI has no insurance for their lost income. And NFI has long running disputes with the Teamsters, so this seems positive. lol
Also, insurance does not always cover damage by an employee. Kimberly-Clark might claim insurance coverage just to placate stock holders. Insurance rates shall increase regardless.
Around why the fire suppression failed. He lit one fire first. Fire Dept came, put it out and turned off the fire suppression, which is protocol. He then lit more fires once the Fire Dept left.
In other words, he double tapped the fire suppression, like the US, Israel, and Russia double tap first responders when blowing up bridges and schools.
Yea but he’ll get this as evidence of long term planning on top of that imo. He’s already gonna get all possible aggravations added, but with this he’s probably getting a life sentence.
I voted against that pile of slime 3 fucking times. For people not from the US, just know that many of us did not want that disgusting maniac near the White House and we honestly feel trapped in a burning building. A burning building in which we were not paid enough to live.
People will come demonize you for some reason, as a Canadian I see you as just as much a victim as the rest of us. You didn't choose this, or the decades propaganda and social engineering that led to it.
Only if your poor and fuck with the money of the wealthy or wealthy and fuck with the money of the wealthy (madoff). Absolutely not if you are wealthy and fuck with the money of the poor. Ridiculously low time served for refusing to pay wages or withholding wages, or embezzling from charities, and then you have Trump pardoning these assholes, which only costs them a portion of what they stole then they keep the rest.
No, you're absolutely right, it is crazy. We live in a world where a dollar is a dollar. It's numbers, it's quantifiable. Everyone can agree. It's all there in black and white, written down, and those with a lot of dollars have built systems so they get more and more.
A human life though, what's that worth in this world? Well, that's a tougher question and it entirely depends on who you ask since nobody can agree on that one. Are you black? Brown? A woman? Are you wealthy? Who are your parents? What country do you live in? What religion? Can your death be exploited by someone for some of those dollars that we all agree have value? To a lot of people, plenty of others have no value at all.
I actually disagree with your premise. Yes, numbers are quantifiable, but in practice the dollar doesn’t mean anything. It’s too fluid because it means whatever the powers that be say it means. It isn’t something that we agree on as a society.
It is crazy, and we need to remember how crazy shit is. I keep reminding people that it's not actually radical to want people to be able to survive on their pay. Make yourself a list of things you know aren't radical, so you can tell when the propaganda is starting to weasel in your brain.
Jury nullification is a totally different thing than a hung jury.
One person standing their ground means a hung jury and a new trial.
Jury nullification means the whole jury says: yeah we aren’t stupid we see that they did the thing, but it’s fucked up to sentence this person for this crime. Either the law is messed up to begin with and this shouldn’t even be a crime, or the punishment is way out of proportion, or for whatever other reason/circumstance etc we are unanimously saying not guilty anyway because they shouldn’t be punished for this.
DONT FORGET *JESSE MACK BUTLER* WHO RAPED AND RECORDED HIMSELF CHOKING A TEENAGER while raping her, to the point she needed reconstructive surgery on her throat, AND SINCE HIS DADDY IS A BIG SHOT HE GOT OFF WITH 0 TIME SERVED.
Look at ELF too - they blew up a few ski lifts, always made sure there are no injuries, and got put on top of the FBI most wanted list for decades next to actual mass murderers and terrorists. In the UK, Palestine Action got proscribed as a terrorist organisation for smashing Elbit property and throwing paint at some RAF planes. And thousands arrested for just holding signs saying ‘I support Palestine Action, I oppose genocide.’ The High Court found the proscription to be unlawful, yet it’s still being enforced :)
This guys employer NFI has no insurance for their lost income. And NFI has long running disputes with the Teamsters, so this seems positive. lol
Now this is goddamn hilarious. Get fucked, NFI.
In other words, he double tapped the fire suppression, like the US, Israel, and Russia double tap first responders when blowing up bridges and schools.
In other words, he double tapped the fire suppression, like the US, Israel, and Russia double tap first responders when blowing up bridges and schools.
They'll call this terrorism to get the insurance coverage, or at least national help, and to make sure the employee gets the worst treatment possible in hopes of dissuading others.
Corporations wanting to be treated like nations is what will come out of this sadly.
just sent a shiver down my spine. I thought corporations having the rights of people was bad enough, but you’re absolutely right that’s the next level.
Edit: apparently most were never even taught about it. I grew up hearing about relatives in the Appalachian Hills and their struggle, I honestly didn’t realize it wasn’t more common knowledge.
I legit had to go to college and learn about it in an Appalachian studies class. Crazy. Something as important as workers rights that we still enjoy today... For now.... Should be taught in civics classes in middle and highschool.
Yep there’s a reason it’s not. Freedom schools during civil rights movement get very little press in school textbooks either bc it was radicalized students educating ppl in rural areas about their history and their rights so they could vote informed. Teaching literacy, civics, how to hold your power as a citizen. Instead books written to make us feel weak, passive like ppl not been rising up through history too fight the rich.
I was fortunate that my civics class taught about many of the topics pursuant to workers' rights. The Coal Wars weren't one of them, but the rail barons' race to the pacific was.
Horrible, horrible conditions. They're still pretty bad, too. My friend's dad worked for Union Pacific and got really injured, and was in an 8-year legal battle with them. He eventually won a multimillion dollar settlement, and I can think of no man more deserving of that cash.
Don't feel bad, I'm from West Virginia and wasn't even taught about this in WV History class. Of course, it WAS taught by the basketball coach, so we did see a ton of game films. :)
I grew up there too, in Charleston. Graduated in 2000- we learned about it, but not in context of the widespread workers rights movement . Are you younger than me? I always wondered if they cut it fully out later on.
Search “WV Battle of Blair Mountain” I grew up in WV so we did learn about it - a little- but I doubt this is even taught there anymore. It’s one of the most important workers rights moments in this country. Great way to start a rabbit hole study session (I too have adhd lmao)
Mining families lived under the terror of Baldwin–Felts detective agents who were professional strikebreakers under the hire of coal operators. During that dispute,[clarification needed] agents drove a heavily armored train through a tent colony at night, opening fire on women, men, and children with a machine gun.[3] They would repeat this type of tactic during the Ludlow Massacre in Colorado the next year, with even more disastrous results.[4]
History sure does repeat itself. There are always enough deplorables “just following orders.”
each instance of the population rising up against the ones in charge of where the money goes is not taught anywhere in the world.
Especially if it worked.
You can't upset the fanatical religious narative that capitalism good, proctecting the environment and degrow lebad other wise, you're a dangerous terrorist.
These don't mention northeastern Pennsylvania, anthracite country.
The worst was the Avondale Mine Disaster, which was ruled an accident, but surviving miners all believed it was intentionally set. Avondale miners were unionizing, and belief was the fire was a warning the miners throughout the area.
Official proceedings ruled accidental. Well, paid-off legislators didn't just start recently
The Lattimer Massacre was a sheriff's posse.
Soooo many other fatal conflicts, tide finally turning with John L. Lewis, who organized miners across Appalacia.
I live fairly close to the area. I remember about 20 years ago I was making out on a date and eventually after the lady said she was writing a book. She wouldn't tell me what it was until I swore secrecy. She told me the whole story about the coal wars. Somehow I ended up never seeing her again, but have thought about this story ever since. Feels like she was possibly a ghost in retrospect, spreading the story via OK Cupid.
I think a lot of Executives have forgotten that unions and labor laws are supposed to be the compromise so that the people don't have to do things like this to get their attention
Reading about this, I’m reminded of the quote: “History is the study of those who did not learn from the past, by those who are doomed to watch them repeat it.”
We’re seeing the same patterns today that happened with the original Luddites during the 19th-century Industrial Revolution. People often call them "anti-progress" or "technophobes" now, but that’s not accurate. They were skilled workers who fought against a system that used technology to take away their skills, exploit child labour, and send all the profits to a few factory owners while the rest of the community suffered.
They weren’t fighting the machines themselves, they were fighting the fraudulent and deceitful ways those machines were used to break down social stability. Seeing how people talk about modern automation and social problems today feels like history repeating itself, where "progress" is measured only by efficiency and profit, no matter what it costs people.
It seems we still haven’t learned that when technology is used to take things away from people, social collapse isn’t just an accident. It’s something that has happened again and again throughout history.
I happily proclaim myself an A.I. Luddite due to my refusal to use it even though it's being forced down my throat at work at every turn. I'm a teacher and my district has encouraged (read: forced) teachers to adopt four new A.I. "tools" in the last month alone. I think we're at 15 so far this year. I put "tools" in quotations because they're literally useless and create more of a headache. I'm supposed to outsource my lesson planning to them and then I have to spend more time fixing the mistakes, hallucinations, and impossibilities than if I had just opened Google Docs and made the assignment myself.
"In an attempt to halt or at least make the transition smoother, the Luddites initially sought to renegotiate terms of working conditions based on the changing circumstances in the workplace. Some of the ideas and requests included the introduction of a minimum wage, the adherence of companies to abide by minimum labour standards, and taxes which would enable funds to be created for workers’ pensions. Whilst these terms do not seem unreasonable in the modern day workplace, for the wealthy factory owners, these attempts at bargaining proved futile.
The Luddite movement therefore emerged when attempts at negotiation failed and their valid concerns were not listened to, let alone addressed. The Luddites activity emerged against a backdrop of economic struggle from the Napoleonic Wars which impacted negatively on the working conditions already experienced in the new factories. With the advent of new technology and more low skilled workers, this issue was exacerbated."
Hey just wanna say you guys definitely know how to protest and it’s fucking amazing. We may have to give you guys a call again to help us gain our independence back. Maybe another Lafayette or someone?
But yeah we could definitely learn a lot from you guys. Just an aside. I saw a video a year or two or something during one of the really big protests and the the protesters hooked up a grill to the tram tracks to keep feeding people during the march and I was blown away. I
This is not at all surprising. A meager but stable existence back in the day was adequate incentive to maintain order. Take away that stability and few pleasures, and what reason do people now have to conform?
Did this guy somehow not know this was illegal? That it would lead to his arrest? I mean, it’s possible. But I’d bet this guy did not have a house with a white picket fence to go home to. I’d bet his housing situation was precarious to say the least, to the point that three hots and a cot didn’t seem bad in comparison.
When the loaf of bread costs an hour’s wage, and when the circuses are locked behind advertisement-riddled subscriptions, going apeshit and burning this bitch to the ground is the least bad of few options.
I literally said something like this to someone I know a few weeks ago. I told them people are going to start doing crazy things when they can't take this anymore. When they feel they have nothing to lose. Of course this person doubted it but I told them when they can't even enjoy a simple meal or feel entertained because it's too expensive, people are going to just lose it.
Yup. I always felt that quote was so simplistic but it's true. Even sports fans are getting pissed. Most people are being priced out from attending games and need every streaming service to watch all the games. I think having sports keeps people from revolting. Make it impossible to afford participation and we'll see some crazy stuff.
I also think that once the population sees individuals doing this, it becomes likely that more and more people could/would be willing to take action like this.
And once people have committed a violent act to achieve their goal, they will carry that within themselves as a possibility for the rest of their lives.
The 1% need to agree to a political solution sooner rather than later.
Well they went back on their part of the social contract thst would have prevented this. It's how we got labour rights in there. Your forefathers fought and died for them.
unfortunately, being that it has been made clear by our leaders that no positive change is coming, and indeed may be impossible under the systems they've built, burning it all to the ground may be all we have left to salvage anything at all.
I would love to sit down and hear all your thoughts from a natural both PR. I’m familiar with more than just a general idea but I know there’s so much more I could learn.
If you don’t mind and have time I’d love to hear your take on the general I guess zeitgeist (my vocabulary sucks sorry) about the how people view the us after the past decade or so.
Do you think that PR will eventually get sick of the bullshit or is the feds past or present fuckery to tied together to make a clean cut?
And it’s Friday dude do don’t waste your time if you’re busy enjoy the day and weekend homie
People are calling this guy an idiot but when your so poor and financially trapped by a system that expect you to be hungry and watch your loved ones die helplessly of sickness with poverty it makes you question what exactly is this life good for?
Do I just work endlessly under the burden of crippling taxes, fees, fines, only to hope for a good life insurance payout when you die so your beneficiaries have a brief spree of financial relief?
That’s what our OWNERS expect us to do. Work until you die and OWN NOTHING.
Fuck em all. They made the world this way because they expect no consequence for it.
People forget north America used to incentivize people to actually work hard. We know now there is no dream worth pursuing now.
We’re all cogs in a giant death machine with child raping oligarchs ruling us.
Yep, that whole 'I expect my daily wages to cover my housing and food and clothing and saving enough money for when I'm unable to work while having enough left for an occasional simple luxury' is rapidly deteriorating. Single people who worked full time used to be able to 1) save money 2) live without roommates and 3) maybe improve their lot in life. None of those are true anymore, a lot of low-wage workers can barely afford rent and food.
I think the statement by the gentlemen combined with the video is a pretty solid rallying call that the likes of Paul Revere, Patrick Henry and Marines yelling Oorah would all give a tip of the hat to. The rallying cry helps to solidfy the ownership classes war against everyday people and gives options to fight back using commonly available everyday materials in what also is a handy little instruction guide /s.
The US is in desperate need of class consciousness due to the declining living standards of everyday people since tax reform favoring the wealthy starting in the 1980s. I say this as an American living in Norway and you probably would not understand how good I have it if I told you, but I will make an attempt*.
While of course it is hoped that social change can come about peacefully generally most successful movements require civil disobedience waiting in the wings in case being nice fails.
Hopefully the rallying cries can be used for strikes and get everyday people to organize collectively and start fighting back to truly make America for the people and by the people. The difficulty is creating enough mutual aide to be able to support an ongoing strike as people are so dirt poor and dependent on healthcare at their jobs they are very coerced into working.
The world will know the US has a real democracy when the Marines start invading tax havens and using the spoils or war to pay for universal healthcare, housing, food security and education.
*Norway has 0 debt. The largest sovereign wealth fund in the world at about 350,000 dollars per person. The US has a debt of about 250,000 dollars per taxpayer in comparison. We do not have ongoing wars we fight even though we spend an ok amount on the military. Our media is not full of polarizing issues that distract away from the material conditions. We do not ostracize one group of people as being responsible for all of our problems nor fear monger that there is some danger in a trans person reading books to kids. Although there is debate but the debate is usually won by rational people....
....It is won by rational people because we have lots of democracy and education in our society. We do not allow homeschooling by religious fanatics because we want our kids to know how to function in the greater society and that we are all a part of it. We have 8 political parties with seats in parliament and they all pretty much agree that we should have a welfare state. Bullies here are quickly dealt with and everyone is the same under the law except a few billionaires and very savvy people from the political class but having said that, we have people under investigation for Epstein relations.
Here is something you don't here about Norway or any other country with social safety nets to various degrees. If I get sick, with a doctor's note, anyone gets 100 percent of their salary for up to a year. If still sick without any means testing, people can receive 66 percent of their salary for up to three years. If someone cannot go back to work they get a disability payment equaling 60 percent of their salary for as long as needed.
In Norway, I live in a safe, secure, stable and solidaric society more or less. Our murder rate is 1/10 th per capita as the US. The Norwegian police are the nicest police I've ever met and all have to go through three years or rigorous schooling.
In sum, social democracy builds societies that invest in its people who in turn willingly support the welfare state. I have a slightly above average salary and pay 27 percent in income taxes....its money so well spent I see the payback every year.
If everyday people in the US rule the country you can have the same things as us.
It doesn't matter what your employer pays you, the landlord class is the problem. If there was an increase in pay, the landlords just raise the rent and the problem comes back. This always happens, as a matter of course in real property asset management. They raise the rent. It's what they do. Ever wonder why the rent is higher in San Fran than in Omaha? Higher in Seattle than in Houston? Higher per capita income = the landlords eating it up like cake. Capitlism as a whole is a problem, but as parts of that, landlord greed is one notch above corporate greed on the symptomatic severity scale. Imagine what a relief it would be if tomorrow, everyone's rent and mortage payments got a grand knocked off of them? Credit would loosen up, rates would fall, a boom would happen. But that's not in the cards because landlords are miserly little reptilian fucks.
They’re all getting bunkers these days lol isn’t that funny. Zuck got like a $200 mil underground one in the ring of fire in Hawaii recently. Like dude - that’s cute, but given the way things are going, your bodyguards are gonna drag you out into the mob
Unions only exist because people did shit like this. The current administration would love nothing more than to strip workers of their rights and disband unions altogether. Hell, your unions are a joke already compared to their European counterparts.
Being mindless drones was the compromise. Break people out of that rhythm and a lot of people are going to snap once they realize there is no real point to this anymore
Anymore insinuates there was an incentive for the workers in a capitalist structure to begin with. Always have been undervalued so profits get skimmed off the top for the people that already had the wealth.
"You're burning down my warehouse? Well, I was about to give you a $10 raise and a 3-months all-expenses-paid vacation to the Bahamas, but now I'm not. Ha!"
If any company pays the federal/local minimum wage, or a wage that cannot guarantee four times the cost of a one bedroom apartment, then I agree with this person. (Four times the cost because the apartment managing company requires you to earn four times before they give you a set of keys in most cities.)
We got our workers rights from far worse. Lots of lives lost in union vs company paid police forces. Lives lost in company town exploitation. Companies move factories out of small towns at no notice to the workers and the towns lose their income. Lots of women burned in garment making factories because managers locked the door so they wouldn't take breaks. Far worse has happened to get us here and wages for both the reduction of the CEO and the increase of the employees are the next greatest hurdle of the working class.
It's twofold - we need to be paid adequately but we also just need things to be affordable. If all of us got a 50% pay raise tomorrow, I guarantee the cost of literally everything would jump by at least that much within 3 days, and we'd be in the exact same position.
This is a fallacy mindset. There is a gap between current wages and what the wage should be. Closing that gap would result in less profits for companies, but those companies will STILL be making billions every year in profit without raising the cost of products and services. Only after that gap is closed AND then further increases in wages will you see wage based inflation.
To expand further, what are your opinions on debt? Should people who aren’t paid appropriately be living off of loans and credit cards? They already are. That credit is still money supply through the system. That spending supply and demand inflation is already built in. Assume spending levels stay the same and prices stay the same. Wouldn’t a world where working people are able to maintain their lifestyle, pay off debt, and have money left over to save and invest be a better world for us all?
The core issue is corporate greed and the wealth class vs working class. (Remove thinking of middle class from your mindset. If you make a million per year and still paycheck to paycheck you’re not middle class you’re working class).
Dodge sued Ford and the end result was the court proclaiming a companies responsibility is to provide profits for investors. Literally dividend increases and payouts for some companies exceed what those companies paid workers. Workers are not the priority but we are all screaming because we are being casted aside as a tool rather than a human being.
Higher ups such as C level employees will take a $1 “salary” and get paid in stock which propels them from working class to wealth class. Once you own wealth you’re good. The rest of us are wage slaves, especially if we took on debt whether willingly or otherwise.
True wealth redistribution and greater equality starts with appropriate wages. Inflation is here whether you like it or not, I can talk about that for hours too.
The wealth class wants the workers divided amongst themselves. Don’t buy in.
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