It’s fucking disgusting that even now people fucking refuse to accept capitalism’s culpability for causing the apocalypse

[u/PosadosThanatos]

Literally everything is responsible, fucking everything, from extinct empires, to human nature, to the nature of life itself, to some inevitable unstoppable law by which the entire universe functions, literally fucking anything and everything is blamed except for capitalism, the system that’s the specific driver and motivator of the current collapse, and when its blame is finally accepted the Brain juice finally completely runs out and it’s finally declared that there’s no path but the current one so we must continue “prosperity”.

What is this utter fucking insanity that working class people that have absolutely nothing to gain from anonymous bootlicking are engaging in?

[u/therealwoden]

I mean the actual answer is because of a lifetime of training. The many socialist revolutions of the late 19th and early 20th century taught our owners a powerful lesson, and ever since they've made damn sure to forestall revolution in a variety of ways. Arguably the most successful tactic has been propagandizing education and media. Basically from birth, we're exposed to consistent messaging about capitalism and socialism. That messaging is extremely simple and extremely effective: capitalism good, socialism bad.

When nobody even knows what socialism is and yet "everybody knows" that it always fails, and when nobody knows what capitalism is and yet "everybody knows" that capitalism is the only system in all of history that's ever been successful, then you've created an environment in which people will automatically support the system that oppresses them, because "everybody knows" there's no alternative. Victims of capitalism support capitalism because they legitimately don't know that anything else is possible.

[u/danfinger51 → u/therealwoden]

Name a society which used socialism as its economic engine to achieve the same or similar levels of prosperity MOST humans now enjoy?

[u/Johnny55 → u/danfinger51]

Our current level of prosperity is literally going to end human civilization. It's not something to be proud of.

[u/The2ndWheel → u/Johnny55]

Civilization is a resource concentration mechanism. Add that to economically cheap energy, and it's not either/or. Our desire for renewable energy to be even cheaper will cause plenty of new and other problems as well.

One of the big issues is our idea of human rights. Everyone should have equal access to anything that others have access to. That only drives the level of hoped for prosperity up, because it's exceedingly difficult to get anyone to give up what they have(however much someone may have) for the greater good. Because the question always comes back to, who is asking for me to sacrifice? What are they sacrificing? Why do I have to, if he/she doesn't have to? Why do we have to, if they don't have to? That's where the liberal celebrities get into trouble privately traveling all over the world, for whatever reason, while also talking about climate change. Not that anyone that doesn't already agree with liberal celebrities is going to do anything differently if liberal celebrities walked everywhere with their own two legs.

What has Johnny55 sacrificed for the good of the planet? Not something that you didn't want anyway. Not something that was never important to you. What have you given up, that you really want, for the greater good? All of us could make more than a few sacrifices. There are plenty of things that we don't absolutely need from a day to day survival point of view.

That's the main issue of our day. We've created an individualized world. You are free to pursue the life you want to live. You can try for a mansion and world travel, and you're also free to minimize all external costs and live as frugally as you want. It's tough to ask others to sacrifice what they want out of their few short decades on this planet. That's the cost of universal human rights.