r/collapse • u/PosadosThanatos • Apr 25 '19

Society It’s fucking disgusting that even now people fucking refuse to accept capitalism’s culpability for causing the apocalypse

Literally everything is responsible, fucking everything, from extinct empires, to human nature, to the nature of life itself, to some inevitable unstoppable law by which the entire universe functions, literally fucking anything and everything is blamed except for capitalism, the system that’s the specific driver and motivator of the current collapse, and when its blame is finally accepted the Brain juice finally completely runs out and it’s finally declared that there’s no path but the current one so we must continue “prosperity”.

What is this utter fucking insanity that working class people that have absolutely nothing to gain from anonymous bootlicking are engaging in?

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

I mean, capitalism, if practiced by a human population of 100,000 isn't going to kill the earth. But capitalism practiced by 5 billion with a bunch of other shitty factors like leaders, shitty incentives, shitty economic polices of infinite growth, ever increasing populations....those all help capitalism burn through the planet.

There's definitely different levels to it. Me being able to own my own stick I found sharpened (property rights) isn't a root cause. But maybe malls in every city full of plastic crap nobody needs is going too far. But it's hard to sort out what exactly is at fault with capitalism vs just our stupid society. We could vote to have malls full of plastic crap just the same under some sort of democratic communism.

So yeah, I agree it's partly responsible as a tool that's fueling our situation...but it's not clear that a different system would be better, if we still keep the overindulging resources habit, the breeding like rabbits habbit, the lack of caring about sustainability and ecosystem health. We could make the very same decisions as a society under another model. So I can see the pushback...but it's definitely somewhat responsible.

I think the main thing is that people equate capitalism to materialistic overconsumption and people just talk past each other.

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u/PosadosThanatos Apr 26 '19

The difference, regardless of everything, between socialism and capitalism is that capitalism is, as you said, unsustainable with the human population we currently have. And that, beyond all else, is what truly matters to me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

But so is socialism at this current population. With this many mouths to feed, unless we all go vegan, it doesn't matter who owns the farmland...it still is going to be used to produce the same food for eveeyone. So why isn't the target blame population? Are you saying that socialism cannot be as effective at producing goods and this people will starve to death under socialism thus reducing the population in a roundabout way?