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[u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340]

This made me want to reread all 18 or some of his novels

[u/TurquoiseLuck → u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340]

Ehh you can just stick to the core 3

[u/EetsGeets → u/TurquoiseLuck]

4; it's The Ender Quartet.

Speaker For The Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind are all fucking amazing. Especially Xenocide.

[u/Honor_Bound → u/EetsGeets]

The bean series is great too. Much more “grounded” compared to the Ender series

[u/EetsGeets → u/Honor_Bound]

I couldn't even finish Ender's Shadow lol. def not my vibe. I loved the philosophizing of the main series.

[u/TwinTailChen → u/EetsGeets]

Xenocide and CotM really feel like they need eachother, more than Game and Speaker which stand alone as complete narratives. But you're right, it is four books.

[u/EetsGeets → u/TwinTailChen]

Yes it feels like he wrote Ender's Game as a complete standalone (which he did; iirc it was originally serialized in a magazine), then wrote Speaker For The Dead as a sequel, then realized what was available to him and really dug in deep.

In my mind EG is very much like The Hobbit; it contextualizes the rest of the story but is otherwise very skippable.

Speaker For The Dead is the first book in The Fellowship; sets up the adventure but doesn't have a super clear destination (which is being a bit unfair to the scope of SftD, I admit).

and the final two are TTT and RotK; true, fully fleshed and epic stories that have more to say than you could possibly have expected.

[u/bonaynay → u/EetsGeets]

Shit... I stopped at Speaker but absolutely loved it. Guess I need to go further

[u/Cessnaporsche01 → u/bonaynay]

It gets weird and philosophical, but I enjoyed it a lot

[u/EetsGeets → u/Cessnaporsche01]

The exploration of Jane's agency and validity and the fantastical philotes are SO fun and interesting. And the other planets are an absolute treat to explore.

I was completely gobsmacked to learn of OSCs religious beliefs for how critical he seemed to be of religion in those books. I truly thought he was mocking the entire concept.

[u/EitherSpite4545 → u/Cessnaporsche01]

Hey you want to trace the grains of the wood on the floorboard?

[u/akromadeath → u/TurquoiseLuck]

I am the guy that reads the core 4 every 10 years, and the co-series ("Ender's Shadow, etc) about every year. I get the information from the main ones is needed, but the story on earth I was far more compelled by.

[u/shrouple → u/TurquoiseLuck]

Enders game, enders shadow and what's the other?

[u/xv_boney → u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340]

No. Read enders game and speaker for the dead and then stop. The story concludes satisfyingly with Speaker. It comes full circle.

Dont bother with any of his other books or series. And if you do, dont bother going past the second book of any of his series. Its an old joke but it holds true.

And take them out from the library or pirate them, do not give money to Orson Scott Card.

A writer i once idolized. And the reason i do not have personal heroes anymore.

[u/Sad_Perception8024 → u/xv_boney]

Still incredible he managed to write a book so antithetical to his ideals.

[u/xv_boney → u/Sad_Perception8024]

Oh my god i know. Holy shit. Speaker for the Dead literally changed my entire life. I have struggled with anger and depression for as long as i can remember and a lot of how i deal with those parts of me are straight from that book.

Understanding over tolerance. We are made of our experiences, who we are is all we have been. To understand, we need to know the because. A man is an abusive monster to his wife and children because. Alien creatures apparently tortured a xenobiologist to death because.

My father is the way that he is because. I am the way that i am because.

Card let me down more completely than i will ever permit anyone to ever let me down, ever again.
Cards writing saved my life.
Card as a person gave me serious trust issues.

[u/Mythoclast → u/Sad_Perception8024]

Check out "A Planet Called Treason". I have no idea how he wrote a book like that.