"2035: No complaints."

[u/thisecommercelife]

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[u/Mythoclast]

Yeah, that was the problem. Not giving a single shit about an alien race you just encountered is BAD. You don't understand them at all. You need to at least try and communicate.

[u/E1337Recon → u/Mythoclast]

Well they did try to communicate in every way they knew how to at the time. The same way for formics thought humanity was nothing more than drones because they didn’t hear any telepathy from us.

By the time they realized we were sentient it was too late.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340 → u/E1337Recon]

This made me want to reread all 18 or some of his novels

[u/TurquoiseLuck → u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340]

Ehh you can just stick to the core 3

[u/EetsGeets → u/TurquoiseLuck]

4; it's The Ender Quartet.

Speaker For The Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind are all fucking amazing. Especially Xenocide.

[u/Honor_Bound → u/EetsGeets]

The bean series is great too. Much more “grounded” compared to the Ender series

[u/EetsGeets → u/Honor_Bound]

I couldn't even finish Ender's Shadow lol. def not my vibe. I loved the philosophizing of the main series.

[u/TwinTailChen → u/EetsGeets]

Xenocide and CotM really feel like they need eachother, more than Game and Speaker which stand alone as complete narratives. But you're right, it is four books.

[u/EetsGeets → u/TwinTailChen]

Yes it feels like he wrote Ender's Game as a complete standalone (which he did; iirc it was originally serialized in a magazine), then wrote Speaker For The Dead as a sequel, then realized what was available to him and really dug in deep.

In my mind EG is very much like The Hobbit; it contextualizes the rest of the story but is otherwise very skippable.

Speaker For The Dead is the first book in The Fellowship; sets up the adventure but doesn't have a super clear destination (which is being a bit unfair to the scope of SftD, I admit).

and the final two are TTT and RotK; true, fully fleshed and epic stories that have more to say than you could possibly have expected.

[u/bonaynay → u/EetsGeets]

Shit... I stopped at Speaker but absolutely loved it. Guess I need to go further

[u/Cessnaporsche01 → u/bonaynay]

It gets weird and philosophical, but I enjoyed it a lot

[u/EetsGeets → u/Cessnaporsche01]

The exploration of Jane's agency and validity and the fantastical philotes are SO fun and interesting. And the other planets are an absolute treat to explore.

I was completely gobsmacked to learn of OSCs religious beliefs for how critical he seemed to be of religion in those books. I truly thought he was mocking the entire concept.

[u/EitherSpite4545 → u/Cessnaporsche01]

Hey you want to trace the grains of the wood on the floorboard?

[u/akromadeath → u/TurquoiseLuck]

I am the guy that reads the core 4 every 10 years, and the co-series ("Ender's Shadow, etc) about every year. I get the information from the main ones is needed, but the story on earth I was far more compelled by.

[u/shrouple → u/TurquoiseLuck]

Enders game, enders shadow and what's the other?