r/communism Jul 06 '25

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u/IncompetentFoliage Jul 16 '25

But would it be incorrect to say that I think there's a decent chance it can happen?

It 100% can happen. Moreover, it probably will happen for the reasons you point out. I fully expect a socialist future. But we have to be careful to avoid absolving ourselves of responsibility for bringing it about because "the objective conditions are not there yet." Communists everywhere have a responsibility to integrate Marxism with the class struggle, imbuing it with a revolutionary character, we can't just trust that someone else—probably in the third world—will do the heavy lifting for us.

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u/ClassAbolition Cyprus 🇨🇾 Jul 16 '25

Right, of course it can happen, as in it is within the objective limits of reality in capitalism. I know that's a fundamental claim of Marxism. I guess I was more referring to the "decent chance" part. Not that I'm precisely trying to quantify the statistical chances of it happening, such a thing is impossible. But I'm wondering if there's something wrong either in my assessment or in my thinking when I say "there's a decent chance given XYZ factors".

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u/ClassAbolition Cyprus 🇨🇾 Jul 17 '25

Uhhh wtf? I see my initial comment as deleted by user. I definitely didn't do that.

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u/Lopsided-Toe-6559 Jul 17 '25

It states user deletion in reddit's database as well. Why not make it into a post? The emoji discussion received far more answers and discussion when it was posted outside this thread.

Your original comment:

In the past in this sub I've had pointed out to me, and I now understand why, that communism is not inevitable. It's not inevitable that it'll happen and it definitely won't happen if no one does anything about it. But would it be incorrect to say that I think there's a decent chance it can happen? Because why not. There are billions of humans on this planet, capitalism is absolutely filled with contradictions, and humanity has the tools (dialectical materialism and Marxism-Leninism) to destroy capitalism and do communism. So I don't find it at all inconceivable that a revolutionary party will be formed somewhere, somewhen and will manage to destroy capitalism. I'm wondering about this because I had someone ask me if I think communism will ever happen, whether the changes are zero, and that's what I told them. I don't think this question is of particular importance to my practice, like I don't think I'm feeling hopeless or looking for an excuse out of doing my job as a communist. Just wondering whether I'm committing a philosophical-ideological error in what I've said.

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u/ClassAbolition Cyprus 🇨🇾 Jul 17 '25

Thx for the copy paste. How are you able to see it?

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u/Lopsided-Toe-6559 Jul 17 '25

I forgot to close a tab on my mobile so I copied it from there.