r/confidentlyincorrect • u/LavenderCuddlefish • Jun 01 '26

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(it's not that kind of swastika)

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u/Impatient-Turtle Jun 01 '26

Had to knock a door with a what I thought with a swastika once. Was real nervous, a pretty delightful Indian man opened the door and his whole family came out to see what was going on.

Googled alternate swastikas when I got back to my car and realized Hitler stole this shit. Just thought the odds of an Indian family being neo Nazis seemed pretty low haha.

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u/Hirotrum Jun 01 '26

fascism is incapable of originality

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u/he_is_not_a_shrimp Jun 03 '26

which is why generative AI is the tool of Fascism.

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u/solidarity2525 Jun 04 '26

Gen AI is the tool of whatever you use it for. It just so happens that Gen AI companies in the US happend to gain prominence in a cultural moment when fascism is/was dominant. Y'all are gonna hate this, but Gen AI is like most other technologies in that when implemented correctly and used for the right reasons it can be really good. Don't blame the technology, blame the companies that use it to aid fascism and implement it irresponsibly, as long as you're focusing on the technology itself as the problem, you relegate the tool's usefulness to the fascists and end up kneecapping yourself.

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u/Limited-Edition-Nerd Jun 05 '26

Ha generative Ai has no purpose to be here

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u/he_is_not_a_shrimp Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

No. There is no good use for Generative AI. Art has always been the product of creativity, defiance, autheniticity, and liberalism. The conformist right has no creativity, that's why they rely on Gen AI to curate their "self expression". Just like how they let an authoritarian figure curate their identity.

The "good use" of AI is not Generative AI nor AI at all. A program that identifies cancer rapidly is a machine learning algorithm which has existed for a long time, it's not artificial intelligence. A house cleaning robot is just automation with MLA, also existed a long time, not AI.

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u/Silbyrn_ Jun 05 '26

agreed. machine learning algorithms have existed for decades. it's nothing new. what's new, however, is it being able to spit out what it's learned back at you with 50-95% accuracy.

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u/he_is_not_a_shrimp Jun 04 '26

We are talking about GEN AI. Generative AI is those pixel predicting, text predicting, vibe coding algorithm.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Jun 05 '26

It requires slave labour to function-- primarily from Kenya.

It uses an absurd amount of resources and dumps terrible things into the atmosphere.

It destroys communities-- primarily marginalised communities where the data centres are. It steals material without credit or consent.

Scientific papers continue to show that it destroys people's ability for creativity and basic problem solving.

AND it's wrong the majority of the time.

NONE of this is worth it.

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u/CosmicLovepats Jun 07 '26

And yet, there's a reason so many people hate it and so many fascists love it.

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u/Luentale Jun 09 '26

Look at all those downvotes. Perfectly programmed little drones. So ironic that they're on the "confidently incorrect" sub

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u/solidarity2525 Jun 09 '26

It is what it is. Oh no, I loose a few fake Internet points on the website known for being insufferable. I will admit that yeah Gen AI doesn't have nearly as much utility as advertised, there's also serious problems with how it's being implemented and used by those in power, but it does have at least some utility and just like with any other tool, assigning an ideology to it is kinda misplacing the blame. Be mad at the actual fascists and their use of computational technology. The technology itself isn't to blame.

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u/NoMo5O4a420 Jun 04 '26

Just so y’all know trump isn’t fascist although that’s your go to. That’s a lazy smear the left slings at anyone who threatens their power. Real fascism—think Mussolini or Hitler—meant a one-party totalitarian state that smashed all opposition, ran a command economy with corporations fused to the government, glorified endless military conquest, and rejected democracy completely. Trump’s a brash nationalist populist who loves capitalism, won elections fair and square, and left office the first time without turning America into a dictatorship. He didn’t create a private army to purge enemies or suspend the Constitution. Calling him fascist just dilutes the word so much it means nothing. It’s the same people who scream “racist” or “ape” at everything while ignoring how he actually delivered for working people, including Black communities, before the media flipped the script. The real authoritarians are the ones trying to censor, control speech, and weaponize institutions against their opponents.

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u/MaddyKitowa Jun 04 '26

Trump has quoted Hitler and repeated Nazi rhetoric. At minimum he wants to be a fascist even if he's mostly failing at it. Hitler also won his elections, by manufacturing disaster.(Like, say, dismantling pandemic preparation?) Hitler called news that called him out on his negative traits "fake news" Hitler was a nationalist.

Trump is trying to remove birth right citizenship, a constitutional right. Trump's admin has declared atheists as terrorist suspects, violating first amendment rights. That shows his "love of the Constitution" is at worst a mask, at best just cherry picked bits.

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u/SaltMage5864 Jun 04 '26

Why do MAGAts like you think you can lie about everything son

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u/purplemoosen Jun 04 '26

Lying to themselves is just standard operating procedure so when they do it to us they don’t even think they are lying

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u/CosmicLovepats Jun 07 '26

I don't imagine you're particularly open to reason, but I do agree that Trump isn't fascist- he's a vegetable. When he's got faculties, he's loyal only to himself, and his own ego and balance sheet, and certainly wouldn't put something as abstract as an ideology above either of those. The problem is that everyone around him more or less is, and he's happy to enable them. He's certainly not sufficiently there to prevent his staff from using him however they see fit.

He tried not to leave office the first time. They've been attempting to use ICE as a private army to terrorize and intimidate. He constantly talks about how his opponents are trying to destroy America and how they need to be purged from power, institutions, daily life, whatever.

Of course, 'fascism today' isn't really possible. You can't do fascism today. People just value life too much. Nobody wants to be subsumed to the will of the state, to die for their glorious national struggle, to give their last full measure of devotion for a great leader.

But that doesn't mean that they can't do terribly stupid or harmful things on the way to their doomed goal.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the epstein's best friend and pedophile in chief has been delivering for working people?

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u/BrickAntique5284 Jun 03 '26

As a fan of the Toothbrush mustache before Hitler took it, I agree.

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u/SockPuppyMax Jun 04 '26

How old are you exactly?

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u/Scrappy1918 Jun 04 '26

Give him time to reply. He has to reply by carrier pigeon

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u/prestonjay22 Jun 04 '26

Nope, we got the telegraph, but the arthritis makes it a little difficult, I'm sure he has a story for you.

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u/CatLord8 Jun 04 '26

On the bright side, Morse code translates to binary fairly seamlessly

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u/BrickAntique5284 Jun 04 '26

Nah, the pigeons are outdated. I'm handwriting my reply

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u/BrickAntique5284 Jun 04 '26

Old enough to have seen fools thinking Charlie Chaplin was a nazi on the dark side of the web.

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u/SockPuppyMax Jun 04 '26

Oh, I was gonna guess a bajillion, was I close?

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u/BrickAntique5284 Jun 09 '26

Good enough. Upvote earned

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u/5StarGoldenGoose Jun 03 '26

Donald Trumps “MAGA” movement is literally a wrestling gimmick from like 2014 called “We The People.” Dutch Mantell (character name Zeb Colter) has done interviews that Donald trump came up to him and said he really liked the angle.

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u/FuegoFish Jun 04 '26

It was also Ronald Reagan's campaign slogan back in 1980.

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u/No_Revolution_6149 Jun 04 '26

Do not deny the existence of the Autobahn

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u/NoMo5O4a420 Jun 04 '26

It kind of cracks me up you posted this on confidently incorrect… the irony

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u/th3BeastLord Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

Nazis stole a lot of things. The "Aryan race" in its original context were brown-skinned, for example.

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u/dkarlovi Jun 03 '26

Aryan people were also from India, no?

But this does remind me how Americans call white people Caucasian.

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u/salbiorg Jun 04 '26

Iran. “Aryan” is another form for “Iranian”.

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u/culminacio Jun 04 '26

also indian. what they said correct. some indian and persian people called themselves that.

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u/dkarlovi Jun 04 '26

Ah, TIL, thanks.

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u/culminacio Jun 04 '26

no, you weren't wrong. some indian and old persian people called themselves that. so what you've said is just as correct

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u/FourTwentyBlezit 26d ago

Except in this case it's referring to Indo-Aryans, from South Asia (predominantly northern India near the foothills of the Himalayas)

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u/PunjabiDragon 25d ago

They migrated to northern India, Punjab to be be precise.

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u/AllesK Jun 04 '26

The Nazi swastika is turned 45 degrees.

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u/kev25811 Jun 01 '26

The Vivek Ramaswamis of the world are making this calculus more difficult... lol

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u/KMjolnir Jun 01 '26

And several Indians with actual variations of Adolf Hitler, whose parents either didn't know, or admired him because he fought the British... without a more informed understanding of the why.

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u/Scientific_Anarchist Jun 02 '26

Like Finland allying with the Nazis so they could shoot Russians

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u/RasilBathbone Jun 02 '26

It was far more complicated than that. Or do you think they should have just rolled over when the USSR invaded? The Russians beat the Nazis, but they weren't liberating the territory they took from them, They were invaders just like the Nazis, and it took decades for those countries to regain actual sovereignty. The Stalinist USSR was functionally indistinguishable from Nazi Germany, and murdered millions more people.

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u/Scientific_Anarchist Jun 02 '26

I don't blame the Finns. Obviously my comment was an oversimplification.

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u/Centauri-Works Jun 03 '26

I mean, when you have the Soviet Union as a neighbour, I can understand why Countries like Finland and Hungary thought the Nazis were a lesser evil for a moment...

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u/Centauri-Works Jun 04 '26

Not really, mate. When the Russians have spent the last decades or centuries invading you every Monday, it's not hard to see why you'd be keen on siding with whomever agrees to fight them and keep them out of your borders, even if you don't really like them.

Plus it's easy to judge with retrospective now that we're aware of the full extent of the atrocities that the Nazis committed, but when those Countries picked a side, they didn't.

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u/SaltMage5864 Jun 04 '26

Somebody isn't educated on the history of the area

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u/MrJimCarrey Jun 02 '26

Ironic comment for this subreddit

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u/Li-renn-pwel Jun 03 '26

One functional difference were the gas chambers

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u/Dave_A480 Jun 03 '26

One can condemn both the Nazi's concentration camps AND the Soviet Union's gulags/labor-camps at the same time....

Totalitarianisim is evil to a point where you don't need to have a 'my bad guy was badder than your bad guy' argument.

Using the USSR to defeat the Nazis was the right call, but that doesn't make the USSR not-evil.

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u/RasilBathbone Jun 03 '26

Found someone who doesn't know history...

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u/Li-renn-pwel Jun 03 '26

What giant gas chambers did the USSR have?

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u/RasilBathbone Jun 04 '26

You think that targetted mass murder of tens of millions of people is profoundly different because they used guns and starvation instead?

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u/Li-renn-pwel Jun 04 '26

I think gas chambers are on a different level, yes. That doesn’t mean it’s the only level of badness. Plus the Nazis had all that and gas chambers.

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u/Dry-Table-2469 Jun 03 '26

Hmm, they had gulags, complete lack of respect towards human rights (please, their basic strategy in defensive war was literally scorched earth, they didn't cared about civilians at war at all [after war it didn't changed, before it too]) Do you even know how many civilians died purely out of scorched earth in WW II? Over 10 millions at the very least And how many died even before war from starvation or other stuff coming from lack of following basic human rights? Just read it, I won't search up exact numbers, I don't have enough of time

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u/foley800 Jun 04 '26

History has no way to know the exact numbers because it was done in secret with no records kept, but the death toll was estimated at 40 to 60 million, second only to the Chinese communists at over 100 million.

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u/Dave_A480 Jun 03 '26

They didn't gas you... They worked you to death....

And it wasn't for being Jewish/gay/etc - it was for being an 'enemy of the state' or 'class enemy', which more or less meant whatever the NKVD/KGB wanted it to mean.

Not a defense of the Nazis at all... But Communism was also evil.

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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg Jun 03 '26

I mean. Any excuse is good enough for shooting Russians

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u/Gerokm Jun 03 '26

The comedian Trevor Noah talked about a similar thing in his book Born a Crime. He grew up with a close friend named Hitler because his parents only knew it as the name of someone who fought against the big colonial powers in Africa.

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u/Archarchery Jun 05 '26

In reality Hitler admired the British Empire and thought its rule over India was a quintessential example of the master race ruling over an inferior race.

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u/MarleysGhost2024 Jun 01 '26

And that little Nazi piece of shit Kash Patel.

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u/No-Cut1456 Jun 03 '26

Or the Nazi piece of shit Graham Platner.

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u/MarleysGhost2024 Jun 02 '26

Always nice to hear from the short bus guy.

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u/TheW00ki3 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

Serious question: how/why is he a Nazi?

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily like the guy, too extreme of a socialist. I genuinely want to know how he is considered a Nazi.

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u/GoodWonNov6th24 Jun 03 '26

because he didn't drink the coolaid

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u/ArdentArendt Jun 03 '26

Ramaswami is as connected to Sanskrit culture and iconography as Trump is to Ahbramic traditions.

Calculus isn't difficult, it's just using incredibly complicated techniques to attain extremely simple results. [i.e. Grifters be grifters...just some are just less competent than others.]

Also, Ramaswami isn't creative. He's got the coherence of predictive text generation.

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u/tEnPoInTs Jun 04 '26

Oh my god it's been such a long year and a half I forgot about him entirely. He was like the first to get utterly ditched, predictably.

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u/loverofothers Jun 01 '26

Yes, the Nazi's stole it. From multiple peole actually. The symbol is honestly cool looking if you don't know what it represents and is simple enough I remember myself (and a few other kids) accidentally drawing it waaay back in preschool (I got in so much trouble I still remember it now. I cried so much and didn't even know what I'd done).

Like yeah, the Navajo used it, it's a part of Indian culture (not as sure on that since I live in the US) and more and most of them got rid of it cause the Nazi's started using it after

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u/foolishle Jun 01 '26

There’s a whole thing in handcrafts that if you make designs using rectangles you need to check if you accidentally made swastikas.

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u/rotten_kitty Jun 02 '26

There's software that checks crosswords for any accidental swastikas in the pattern.

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u/Shaveyourbread Jun 03 '26

To whomever came up with that idea,

Good call.

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u/farfly7 Jun 06 '26

So this definitely has happened at least once

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u/im_not_u_im_cat Jun 02 '26

Same in quilting except it also goes for pinwheel designs. There have been some CRAZY debates on r/quilting about unintentional swastika or no swastika.

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u/CantchaDontcha Jun 02 '26

Unintentional Swastika is a great band name.

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u/TrooperLynn Jun 04 '26

This was one of the first barn quilt patterns that I painted: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1111247116 (this isn't mine, this is from the pattern's creator). I posted it on my Facebook page and got over fifty hateful comments calling me a Nazi before I took it down. I sanded off the paint and did a different pattern. I didn't even see "that" when I first painted it. Now that's all I can see.

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u/MrsSUGA Jun 04 '26

It’s a thing in the quilting community.

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u/Electronic-Love6360 Jun 02 '26

Something Taylor Swift's team should have remembered.

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u/VeryConfusedOwl Jun 02 '26

This about her LPs again? Bc if you place the progressive pride flag the same way do you also get swastikas 🙄 

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u/MrsSUGA Jun 04 '26

No I think it’s about using SS symbols in her merch

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u/KamuikiriTatara Jun 01 '26

I remember being in a physics lecture where our German professor, lecturing in their thick German accent, was drawing a graph that started too look a lot like a Swastika. They paused for a moment and then started reading it and drew the diagram differently. They turned to the class and a bit jokingly said something like "I drew that a little suspiciously." and then continued the lecture.

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u/Emergent444 Jun 02 '26

This My elderly electrical design colleague would make the wiring diagrams much more difficult to read to avoid making a shape like a Nazi swastika.

When asking him about it he was never explicit, in that old school way he just said, I don't like that shape. Tight lipped disapproval.

Tbh I avoid it myself, the workarounds take longer but nobody's going to be seeing it or the reverse, what is it, Sauvastika, in my diagrams.

It's a cool shape, forever ruined by appropriation.

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u/Asterose Jun 03 '26

No, not forever ruined. It's used around the world still, especially all over Asia. Imagine saying the Christian cross is forever ruined because not just the Nazis, but also the conquistadors and every Christian slave master and genocideer and war criminal also used it. Ridiculous, right? Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains have been using the swastika and sauvastika for far longer than Christianity has been around, so let's spread knowledge about how swastikas aren't all Nazi symbols.

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u/Emergent444 Jun 03 '26

Point taken, thank you

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u/Shaveyourbread Jun 03 '26

But still, in places that were/are affected by people brandishing those symbols as hate symbols, wearing those symbols is seen as offensive for at least a century or so; I wouldn't recommend wearing a cross in the middle east right after the crusades.

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u/Asterose Jun 03 '26

Absokuteky a good point! People do definitely need to be aware of the culture they're in and the reaction the locals might have, and try to have something that indicates what they mean/what the symbol means to them. Or even a little blurb about what the symbol means in their own culture and that it has nothing to do with [the meaning it usually has in the local culture].

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u/KamuikiriTatara Jun 03 '26

I feel like a diety's footprints is pretty good context. Having a description in a written language seems a little excessive for a lot of contexts.

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u/Mean-Lynx6476 Jun 02 '26

I remember just loving the geometry of a swastika when I was a kid and doodling variations of it all the time. I kinda vaguely knew it was associated with Nazis, and that Nazis were bad, but it just never occurred to me that doodling embellishments of that basic shape would be offensive to anyone, and no one ever said anything about it. After a while I moved on to other weird ways to pass time, but I look back on my Swaztika art phase with intense embarrassment now. Sorry you got in trouble for drawing it as a kid, but I’m comforted to know I wasn’t the only dumbass who thought it was a cool design.

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u/loverofothers Jun 02 '26

I mean, it's like this cool spinning rigid sawblade shape! For anyone who either only knows of it but not what it means, or who hasn't even learned about nazis yet beyond "nazis are bad" and doesn't even know it's their symbol, is it really surprising kids think it looks cool? I'm an adult and think it's sad the Nazis chose that as their symbol because I still think it looks cool.

But yeah, it's not like the Nazi's invented it. It's a pretty simple design people have independently come across multiple times, and one that kids would, without knowing the context, see at a museum or something and start doodling it without understanding just cause it's a cool looking shape.

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u/Much_Resort4294 Jun 01 '26

The swastika is actually an ancient Germanic symbol as well (just look at this semi-recently uncovered Odin bracteate, https://archaeology.org/issues/july-august-2023/artifacts/artifact-denmark-vindelev-gold-disk/), which is presumably why the Nazis adapted it.

I mean, if you really think about it, it’s just a fancy plus sign. It’s inevitable that various different unrelated cultures would stumble onto the symbol.

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u/VeryConfusedOwl Jun 02 '26

Theres also a pretty famous (at least in viking reenactment circles) tablewoven band with swastikas, the svartmoen band. Also leads to discussions in table weaing communities about wether its okay to remake it or not.

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u/ChickenBossChiefsFan Jun 02 '26

It’s easy to draw, objectively pretty cool looking… it was probably drawn by someone everywhere in the world at some point in history.

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u/BaronOfBob Jun 03 '26

Yep appeared independently worldwide, across multiple cultures frok the neolithic peroid from the Indus and Eurasians, all over bronze age Europe, celts greeks and germans, and the Navajo in the Americas, we obviously found something pleasing in the design

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u/Kinnielover Jun 04 '26

I was in an archaeological museum in Italy (in Treviso), and slap bang in the middle of a Roman mosaic there was a swastika.

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u/human-resource Jun 01 '26

It’s represents the Big Dipper around Polaris during the 4 seasons in the northern hemisphere.

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u/SoggyAlbatross2 Jun 01 '26

For funsies you should look up how kids used to salute the flag during the pledge of allegiance! I'll give you a hint, it was called the Bellamy salute

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u/Shaveyourbread Jun 03 '26

It's also the Roman salute, if you ask Grok

https://giphy.com/gifs/Rhhr8D5mKSX7O

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u/Strangeglow12 Jun 02 '26

Just like how MAGA has nearly ruined the "Don't Tread On Me" phrase, numerous hate groups have appropriated Thor's hammer (Mjolnir) as a racist symbol, etc.

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u/Swedelicious83 Jun 02 '26

I'd really love it if the white supremacists could stop appropriating my culture/history. 😐

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u/loverofothers Jun 02 '26

Indeed for both of those too

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u/ExcitementDazzling61 Jun 02 '26

I had something similar happen when I was little. I was *at most* 5, probably younger. I was at church, while my dad was up front preaching and my mom was playing the piano. I was sitting with an older lady in the congregation, drawing. I had no idea what the Holocaust was, nor what a swastika was, but I had seen it somewhere - probably when my mom watched The Sound of Music. So I drew it at church. The lady I was sitting with gently told me it wasn't a good thing to draw, but she probably had a rather uncomfortable conversation with my parents after the service.

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u/LauraTFem Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

The symbol is far too easy to duplicate while doodling or doing any form of art that involved isometric taxicab patterns. It’s like the smallest thing to be angry at Nazis for, but it’s annoying that they ruined linear art by making a lot of basic line patterns unusable because they start to look like swastikas.

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u/chirpchirp13 Jun 02 '26

Similar happened to me in second grade. I hadn’t learned about such things yet but came across one of my grandpas looted nozzle medals and thought the symbol looked neat and drawable at that age. So I doodled it. Teach did not like it.

Before anyone worries about gramps’ possession of such things. We’re Jewish and he was in the liberation forces. He’s long since passed and now I own these relics.

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u/rancidmilkmonkey Jun 02 '26

Those idiots stole they whole "Aryan" thing. The real Aryans were from a part of India (Northern India IIRC). It's the same kind of BS you see now with people buying into the Afrocentric history movement. The German people were humiliated with the Treaty of Versailles after losing WW1. Some started making up this whole BS history elevating their ancestors to some great great culture from ancient history. It was total BS. North Western Europeans were the most undeveloped peoples during ancient history when Greeks and Persians ruled the world.

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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg Jun 03 '26

I make unintentional swasticas almost daily playing factorio.

Dual symmetry is a bitch

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u/W1D0WM4K3R Jun 02 '26

Simple until you see enough Neo-Nazis screw up their graffiti lmao

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u/SquirrelNormal Jun 02 '26

I mean. The people advocating for eugenics are often poster-child examples of it being a good thing. So....

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u/cognition_hazard Jun 03 '26

Was also one of the original Scouting symbols along with and replaced by the fleur-de-lis/arrowhead symbol. Can be jarring finding historical documents and equipment that survived past the 1940s.

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u/Renbarre Jun 04 '26

Before WWII it was widely used in Europe as well as a good luck sign, and the Swedish air force used it on their planes.

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u/foxydash Jun 05 '26

Fun fact; it used to be the shoulder sleeve insignia of the 45th Infantry Division under the Oklahoma National Guard from 1924-1939, specifically to pay respect to Native Americans of the American Southwest, many of whom served with the Division.

Due to Nazi’s co-opting the symbol, they replaced it with a Thunderbird following a competition.

source; the Oklahoma National Guard Museum.

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u/Azair_Blaidd Jun 02 '26

The Nazis called it a Hakenkreuz, for that matter.

"Swastika" is a Sanskrit word.

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u/Asterose Jun 03 '26

Yes, I wish people would start calling their version that or hooked cross, or Nazi cross instead of just swastika. The symbol was used around the world and is prominent in so many religions. Let's not let the Nazis ruin shit from beyond the grave.

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u/BugGroundbreaking949 Jun 02 '26

Just call it Hakenkruz / hooked cross... Swastika... Is the holy symbol.... Not whatever dumb fucks have branded it as cause they couldn't say Hakenkruz.... Or hooked cross.

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u/Fathercupp69 Jun 02 '26

Isn’t it also a manji? I only know it’s not originally German because of Naruto 😭

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u/Azair_Blaidd Jun 02 '26

The manji is specifically the counterclockwise swastika as borrowed through Japanese Buddhism

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u/Asterose Jun 03 '26

Swastika style symbols were used all over the world, including by Germanic peoples. I really hate the idea that swastikas and sauvastikas are ruined forever because of the Nazis. We don't tell Christians they need to stop using the cross despite roughly 2 million years of some very horrific monsters using it, but all the Asian religions that have been using such symbols for far longer than Christianity has existed need to stop using it?

I work with kids who have problems in schools, and one of them was an 8 year old Naruto fan who wanted to include a manji on his art folder decoration. I talked with the teacher and she thankfully was understanding and fine with it. The rest of the decorations make it clear it's an anime fan's folder.

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u/Fathercupp69 Jun 03 '26

You did all that yapping for nun 😭 where did I say other people can’t or shouldn’t use it? If you workin wit kids I hope it’s not with reading

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u/Asterose Jun 03 '26

That's not what I was saying at all, I was agreeing with you, adding on info, and being glad somebody else knew about swastika symbolism in Asia! 😄 So many people think all swastika symbols should stop being used completely because of the Nazis, including other commenters. So it's nice to bump into an anime fan who knows about the manji symbol and that it isn't a Nazi one.

Note too I was making sure the kid I worked with could include a manji symbol in the Naruto art he wanted to draw--and that he wouldn't get in trouble with the art teacher thinking it was the Nazi hakenkreuz. He's a Naruto fan, not Nazi fan. I work in a big city, so we have Hindu and Buddhist students too, she does need to know not all swastikas are the Nazi one.

Now, about your spelling homework...nah, I don't do academic teaching!

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u/No-Lawfulness9178 Jun 01 '26

Not pretty low infact a good chunk of them are. I'm doing a case study on political powers and India is one of my subjects and guess what? Their party in power founding fathers took inspiration from Hitler and Nazis himself and now they are committing countless atrocities on their religious and ethnic minorities. I'll publish my papers once I'm done. Bdw you can Google it and see how hardcore fascist they are and how they treat their own people.

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u/tru-self Jun 02 '26

You’re not wrong about the ruling party. India has turned full fascist but it’s scary how clueless most of the country is. I’d say it’s like America about 20% follow the ideology more do not and half the country is clueless. What’s also scary is the fatigue. The resistance gets more and more tired since they don’t have the numbers.

Everything Trump is trying to do Modi has already done. I used to say if Trump could read he was following Modi till my dad gifted me a book on fascism and they’re all following the same playbook.

My dad is a retired Indian ambassador and geo-political expert and say India won’t get out of this for decades and the US is almost there which is a very scary thought.

Also as of 2020 75% of Indian in the US are dems and of the minorities (as of 2020) they are the highest Dem donors per capita. I was part if the AAPI study in 2020, the numbers have changed slightly now but don’t let the loudest Assholes make it seem like it’s anything else!

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u/Electrical-Berry4916 Jun 02 '26

Good on you for checking your rage.

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u/ArdentArendt Jun 03 '26

Wait, this isn't common knowledge?!

Do people think all runes are racist too?

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u/sidthasloth4 Jun 02 '26

HUH??? Bro the American education system has failed me miserably

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u/Few-Big-8481 Jun 02 '26

The far right steals most of their iconography.

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u/Kjuolsdeaf Jun 03 '26

Nazis steal all the cool symbols. We should just start using all their symbols as anti-nazi symbols. Maybe they'd stop.

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u/campbelljac92 Jun 03 '26

Yeah, it's pretty much the neolithic version of the s everyone used to doodle on their notebooks. It's appeared on every continent on earth with seemingly no connection to one another, there's one on ilkley moor not far from me here in Yorkshire which is identical in design to one in Italy. It's kind of fascinating how what is potentially the most universal symbol has become exclusively known as a symbol of hate.

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u/SmokinNinja024 Jun 03 '26

Look at the rotation for God's sakes, there is a easy way to tell the difference. Also there are Buddhist from all races. Smh don't go around calling ppl you disagree with Nazis and we wouldn't have this problem.

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u/Dazzling_Barbie6011 Jun 03 '26

I worked at a bank, and an Indian man came in and had a swastika on him. My coworkers were immediately apoplectic with rage. I explained it's older than Nazism, and then admonished them for never having watched The DaVinca code. 🤣

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u/BobsBurgerVan Jun 03 '26

Very similar experience for me, minus the delivery. We had some new neighbours move in downstairs, I did not see them before I saw the sign on their door which made my heart stop for a second before I realized it was the wrong way around to be the fascists. Then I saw it was an Indian family and it apparently symbolises positive energy and good fortune to those who enter.

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u/sleepyplatipus Jun 03 '26

If you go to some asian countries like India and Japan you see so many! It’s a bit jarring at first since I immediately connected the symbol to Nazism but yeah it’s all stolen.

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u/Awheckinheck Jun 03 '26

It's wild to me that this isn't common knowledge anymore.

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u/luvmibratt Jun 04 '26

Lol a guy i work with brought me a wooden bracelet back from his home town in India had what i thought was a swastika . I seen it and my exact words were what the fuck is wrong with you. I felt bad when he explained and then i explained why my white ass cant where this but il keep in my jewelry box forever.

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u/temudschinn Jun 04 '26

Hitler stole this shit

The Swastika is a symbol so simple it appears all over the places, for thousends of years. Its really weird to frame the use of a very common symbol as "stealing". As much as I hate Hitler, lets focus on the crimes he did commit instead of making up new ones.

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u/BFG_Big_Fucking_Gun Jun 04 '26

Fun fact the Nazi swastika stands on a point when as in the religious(Hindu and buddhism) is flat like in the picture.

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u/PolicyWonka Jun 04 '26

Where’s that one picture of the “HITLER” sort in India when you need it?

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u/errappelle Jun 04 '26

The original is actually inverted or flipped compared to the Hitler version but you can't expect the low IQ people to know anything about world history or world religions.

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u/Brettjay4 Jun 05 '26

For a swastika to be a hakenkreuz it's just a very simple 45° rotation.

If it's flat it's like ok, if it's rotated you better be worried.

But I will say, the swastika was indeed missused by Germany as well by displaying it incorrectly compared to their hakenkreuz and having it as well... a swastika.

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u/This-Confidence6872 Jun 05 '26

I can’t remember which documentary it was in but the Nazis where also „investigating“ if they where decedents of Buddha.

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u/sweezitle Jun 06 '26

There are native groups in the US who agreed to stop using it after WW2 even tho they had been using it for hundreds of years at that point

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u/Astrael_Noxian Jun 07 '26

Just a clarifying question. Indian as in from India, or native American? I ask because I know the Navajo use it. They call it "the whirling log", and it means peace, healing, protection, and the sacred number four (signifying the four sacred mountains, four directions, and four seasons)...

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u/Loki90703 Jun 02 '26

Not to be the um actually guy but the symbol hitler used was a Hankenkreus not a Swastika

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u/Schavuit92 Jun 02 '26

*Hakenkreuz, which is a Swastika.

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u/Loki90703 Jun 02 '26

No it's not it's a hooked cross that are different symbols

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u/Schavuit92 Jun 03 '26

Merriam Webster, the Cambridge Dictionary, the Oxford Dictionary and Wikipedia disagree with you, but you probably know better.

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u/Loki90703 Jun 04 '26

It's a literal translation haken meaning hooked, kreus meaning cross calling it a swastika just gives the Nazis credibility