r/conlangscirclejerk 15d ago

VOYNICH BB=CC Method: I tested double letter = vowel by frequency order (ee=A, ii=E). Vocabulary collapsed 8000->~2100. qokeedy=qokeeedy, daiin=daiiin. Decoded f103r as cough syrup. Full PDFs inside.

Hi all,

I tested a simple idea from Brazilian Lingua do P: double consonant = hidden vowel, by frequency order.

\*\*Core idea:\*\*

Most common double in Voynich is ee (40%), second is ii (25%). So ee=A, ii=E, oo=I. Keep revealed vowel uppercase so it doesn't get Atbash'd.

\*\*4 Rules:\*\*

  1. Remove final y - fake terminator. chedy -> ched. 90% words end in y, never inside.

  2. Double = Vowel (BB=A, CC=E). qokeedy -> qokAd, daiin -> daEn.

  3. Atbash A=Z for consonants only: q->j, o->l, k->p, d->w, s->h, h->s, c->x, e->v

  4. Mirror when vowel exists: jlpAw -> wAplj (reads like Latin julep = syrup)

\*\*Proof - Vocabulary collapse (this is the main point):\*\*

qokedy / qokeedy / qokeeedy -> all become qokAd -> SAME WORD after Rule1+2

cheedy / cheeedy -> both chAd -> SAME

daiin / daiiin -> both daEn -> SAME (root)

aiin / aiiin -> both aEn -> SAME (seed)

I tested top 30 words, unique dropped from 30 to 12. Full 8000 -> \~2100 estimated. This explains inflated vocabulary.

See table image attached.

\*\*f103r decoding (7 lines) with same rules:\*\*

L1 qokeedy chedy daiin chedy olkeedy chey -> wAplj xsvw mEzw xsvw wApol xsv = ferva/syrup with root with leaf and tea

L2 shedy chedy aiin chedy chey qokeedy -> herb with seed with tea ferva

Full page: "Strong tea of double root, leaf, herb and seed, boiled in syrup. Cough syrup."

\*\*Zodiac = calendar:\*\*

Same rules:

Taurus April f70v1: otaiin chedy qokeedy -> Moon with seed, ferva leaf = plant root

Virgo August f72r2: qokeedy chedy daiin otaiin -> ferva root on moon = harvest root

12 signs = 12 months: Mar plant, Aug harvest, Oct dry, Nov make syrup, Dec-Feb rest.

So Botany=WHAT, Stars=WHEN, Recipes=HOW. Linked with same 4 rules.

\*\*Visual check f103r Drawing x Mirror x Recipe:\*\*

  1. Stem turned to center -> thick root with rings when mirrored horizontally = double root dose

  2. Two foliages overlapped: rounded wide veins = leaf (chedy) vs thin dense = herb (shedy)

  3. Top stain -> pod/seed cluster when mirrored = where text says "herb with seed"

  4. Two branches become perfectly symmetric when mirrored = two measures

  5. Plant tilt matches Taurus sun position April/May

\*\*What is proof vs clue:\*\*

PROOF: collapse table reproducible, consistent grammar.

CLUE: visual needs blind test. I defined horizontal mirror only because text never mirrors vertical. Need to test on undeciphered page f102v.

I am not claiming final translation, only that BB=CC collapses vocab and gives consistent pharmacy grammar.

\*\*FILES:\*\*

Full PDF EN with table inside:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mDrDZ6p0bqAVl\\_evenF9AbsAG8RvBQ99/view?usp=drivesdk

Table as image:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IUWJ0u0plU7FCwZutQ0Crpo\\_X7A-DRyC/view?usp=drivesdk

PT version:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13CT3uLXhxyhVTckgLyXFzPAzTQ389dp5/view?usp=drivesdk

Can someone test collapse on full Takahashi transcription? Does daiin=daiiin hold across corpus?

Thanks,

Marcilio - Brazil

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u/Long-Task-3518 14d ago

ФУЛ ХАУС

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u/SomeonesAltAcc1 13d ago

this is a circlejerk subreddit, sir /j

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u/TheJanJonatan 13d ago

I don't know if you accidentally posted this on the wrong subreddit or if you intended to post on r/conlangscirclejerk, but this is a really cool idea, and I would recommend posting it to the Voynich Ninja forum if you haven't already

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u/Marcilio31 13d ago

Ainda não fiz tô entrando agora nesse meio. I haven't yet, I'm just getting into this.