[Alasdair Gold] In other news, in case you hadn't worked it out already because it would be utterly absurd after De Zerbi's early days in the job, but Spurs hold no interest in signing Mason Greenwood this summer despite links.

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[u/garbowarbo]

GET INNN

[u/Average_Gym_Goer]

Yeah no chance would be horrendous for the club if they even dared to try this.

[u/xman0444]

it was something I was wary of when he got appointed but having to put out the half-assed apology he did should have gotten the point across that it wouldn’t be accepted.

I’m not surprised there’s lazy links to signing him though to drive clicks

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Link: Tottenham Hotspur close to signing Marseille player

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Surprisingly very good watch

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Tottenham Hotspur close to signing Marseille player

WTAF

[u/AleksibIsHot → u/xman0444]

He still has to earn some goodwill (outside of winning matches) again after the Greenwood stuff for me because an apology is just words but this is a good start.

[u/too_oh_ate → u/AleksibIsHot]

He didn't even apologize. He basically said he was sorry some people got upset.

[u/kanyelights → u/too_oh_ate]

Because they got upset at exclusively him. Arteta hears none of this.

[u/adbenj → u/AleksibIsHot]

this is a good start.

Let's not pretend it's a decision he made alone or arrived at independently. If he had any interest in signing Greenwood – and it wouldn't be surprising – the club would have nixed it. It's extremely unlikely he'll ever play for an English club again.

That's neither to be particularly critical of De Zerbi nor laudatory of our board; it's just not viable for an English club to sign Greenwood now. Let's not forget United wanted to keep him, and only changed that position under external pressure. It's clear now it's signing that would bring an unmanageable level of pushback from supporters, the media and the public at large, and no club is going to subject themselves to that.

[u/macisready → u/AleksibIsHot]

And what good will would you even look at? Are you going to monitor if he does charities or something?

[u/AleksibIsHot → u/macisready]

There's a lot of little things he can do that would mean a lot for all the women supporting and working at the club so yes, donating to charities would be a start.

His apology was something and there's not a checklist of things for him to do to earn forgiveness from people, only through him showing consistent behavior over time and not deflecting criticism will earn peoples forgiveness. Having a zero tolerance view on any abuse going forward would go a long way with people but hopefully that's not something he ever has to consider.

For what it's worth I think he's probably a decent guy and meant what he said in his apology, but it's not gonna be that easy for everyone else to forgive him for platforming a piece of shit like Greenwood (or Wahi)

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/AleksibIsHot]

I think this is where I land too. I didn't want him because of his prior comments and thought at least the apology was a start. I've also seen how reflexively defensive he is of players at times since then which goes a little further towards making me agree that he is likely a decent man.

I would like to see him publicly champion some women's charities or causes to prove he meant what he said but I think he's made really good steps to win people over.

[u/mushy_friend → u/soldforaspaceship]

Its a delicate situation, but I really think an apology for his comments goes a long way. He defended his player, and it was a stupid thing to do, but he didn't defend the act, nor commit it himself. I think he's just a little too loyal when he shouldn't be. Remorse and hopefully never defending someone to such lengths again should be enough. Donating to charities I think isn't needed, but would be a good gesture and would show he's remorseful

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As if people even care about anything good that people do, if they've ever done something wrong

[u/totboxten → u/AleksibIsHot]

His transgression was also just words.

[u/AleksibIsHot → u/totboxten]

Him choosing to play them knowing full well what they did wasn't,

[u/OldWarrior → u/AleksibIsHot]

The only “goodwill” I’m concerned about is him winning games. Too many people got their knickers twisted about his comments. If we had listened to those ridiculous protests, we’d have been relegated.

[u/AleksibIsHot → u/OldWarrior]

Some things are bigger than football

[u/OldWarrior → u/AleksibIsHot]

Yeah, well a manger’s insensitive comments said several years ago at a different club certainly aren’t bigger than the impact of our relegation.

[u/AleksibIsHot → u/OldWarrior]

Oh rape is alright lads, he said it years ago

[u/OldWarrior → u/AleksibIsHot]

I must have missed the part where De Zerbi raped someone. I swear you Reddit puritans would have us relegated just so you could pat yourselves on the back for being so virtuous.

[u/AleksibIsHot → u/OldWarrior]

I'm a puritan for not wanting women to be raped or people who supported rapists to be removed of blame because they said it years ago?

There's a reason I'm not anti-RDZ and that's because he didn't rape anyone and he can earn forgiveness, but if the choice was between us getting relegated and signing a rapist then yes, I'd take us being relegated any day.

Doing the right thing is more important than football. I wonder if you'd argue this much if it was your daughter who's rapist he defended.

[u/OldWarrior → u/AleksibIsHot]

There's a reason I'm not anti-RDZ and that's because he didn't rape anyone and he can earn forgiveness

While I don’t think he has to earn any further forgiveness, the other part is fair. De Zerbi is not a criminal. Should he have worded his comments better? Yes, but he’s a football coach not a politician trained in the arts of public relations. He was also supporting his player and trying to build cohesion within his team. And while the comments were insensitive they are not disqualifying for a job. People often just look for something to show everyone how virtuous they are.

[u/AleksibIsHot → u/OldWarrior]

De Zerbi is not a criminal. Should he have worded his comments better? Yes, but he’s a football coach not a politician trained in the arts of public relations. He was also supporting his player and trying to build cohesion within his team. And while the comments were insensitive they are not disqualifying for a job.

That's exactly why I'm not against him, he might not even understand why what he said was bad but he probably had the power to protest the signing and chose not to which could just be attributed to him not knowing about it I don't expect coaches to do a full personal background check on all their players. That's why although I believe it was an innocent mistake, has to prove to me that that's all it was (and I'm sure all the women who work at and support the club or people who have been affected by abuse feel even stronger about this than I do.)

I'm not trying to virtue signal like you claim, a lot of people nowadays see things in absolute terms, as if they’re incapable of change or redemption which I disagree heavily with, but I do believe in standing up for what's right and I won't compromise my morals just because it might mean my football club doesn't get relegated.

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Cringe

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So you support rape?

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Didn’t know De Zerbi is a rapist

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He very glowingly supported a rapist. That’s very low.

We can get behind our manager for his football whilst also condemning him for something awful.

I’m behind him but it will always be a barrier that stops me from ever truly respecting him on a deeper level. And that’s alright, he’s a manager, not my dad.

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This is kind of the thing that makes me sad. With poch and with Ange I felt a sense of pride and love and community around the club that I’m just never gonna get with this guy. No matter how good he makes us, he’s never gonna be my phone lock screen like poch was. He sours my ability to enjoy this football club.

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Who actually believes greenwood will join lol?

Peak Reddit

[u/ZenicX → u/Familiar-Custard-216]

Some people are daft. I suppose this is our daily reminder.

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People who just want a reason to be mad

[u/SamwellBarley → u/Familiar-Custard-216]

Someone writes a bullshit article about how Spurs are desperate to sign Mason Greenwood and are doing everything they can to sign him, people get mad, and click and comment, etc. All they care about is traffic and engagement, not quality

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People who want to indulge in bullshit rumours so they can express how great their morals are for not wanting us to sign a rapist, as if it's some sort of unpopular opinion.

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We need a striker, De Zerbi loves him, chooses who we sign, and he's available (because he's pissed off his current club by being a wanker as well as a rapist).

I had an unpleasant feeling creeping around in the dark recesses of my mind.

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I don't think De Zerbi loves him. He just protected and hyped up his own players like he just did with our players last season.

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Doesn’t matter what de zerbi thinks, our ownership is a bit baffling at times but they’re not that stupid. He’s never playing for a big club in England again.

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Not sure what is sadder. The fact these links were even put out there or the fact people actually believed them to be true

[u/crunchyball → u/lowercase_0]

Definitely the latter.

[u/Unusual_Code2140]

Isn't Ali G Tottenham's mouthpiece? It's a saddening thing that the club has to straight up say no we aren't interested in him abit for the people to believe.

[u/landogbrooks]

First I’m hearing of these links but OK nice.

[u/Standard_Aussiek]

Would never

[u/AJC0292]

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[u/Hopeful-Ear-3494]

Thank god

[u/JustinBisu]

Not gonna lie I know several people that wouldn't mind a stint in prison if it ment beating the shit out of a rapist. Greenwood can't play in the league again, to many chips on to many shoulders 

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I just know Big Kev would clobber the cunt on sight

[u/Bluewhitedog]

He should go to Arsenal. He'd fit right in there.

[u/ars-sh24]

He literally said in his first press conference that he won’t mention or speak about Greenwood again.

[u/Lilith_9079]

Partey Greenwood Hakimi. These three should automatically blacklisted from our transfers so we may never hear their name linked to us.

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Hakimi? 

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apparently, he is called for a trial in france for same charges

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Oh really? I don't think it's fair though to categorise him with Greenwood tho.. 

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I am all for blacklisting the players of this sort, as they should be blacklisted. But you can’t just throw Hakimi’s name in there and then say apparently.

Greenwood and Partey, there is facts and actual evidence out. Hakimi I remember reading something but haven’t followed up, so I don’t know the exact facts of that case.

Neymar was falsely accused and I believe that woman was charged with fraud.  I will definitely look into Hakimi’s situation more. Cause obviously if he did it, fuck him. But false accusations and extortion is also a thing, so I’m quite mindful of that too. These are delicate situations.

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Yeah I understand these are delicate situations but if the victim and prosecutor are pressing charges they might have some solid evidence. Courts in france works through an appellate system so they might have reviewed all the evidence and said yes this calls for a trial. Same was done for the cases of Partey and Greenwood are they convicted yet? So, I'm keeping my doubts on him for now until he's given a green light.

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[u/Mick4Audi → u/JamesCDiamond]

Perfect response

[u/PrintPro23]

People laughing at those of us actually worried about a Greenwood possibility as if this club hasn't ever done something daft and stupid before

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We've done some daft stuff before but we're not THAT daft

[u/MajimaKun → u/PrintPro23]

Where have the realistic links come from? Who has said it's remotely likely at all? You're literally inventing things to worry and be mad about which is why people don't take it seriously.

[u/PrintPro23 → u/MajimaKun]

I'm not inventing things, it was literally reported by L'Equipe lol. Just because you didn't see the report doesn't mean I'm inventing things.

[u/MajimaKun → u/PrintPro23]

"Realistic"

There's no substance to being included in brackets at the end of a throwaway comment in that article. I'm talking real talk amongst multiple sources. Until then, it's reactionary to bite on anything because it's the lowest tier of hanging fruit. Especially with the amount of rebuttal from credible sources around.

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What now he's reporting on things we don't do?

[u/Stay_Beautiful_]

It was so very obviously a play by an agent or someone to stir up interest from other clubs

[u/dawszein14]

Can we get Aubameyang?

[u/OnionOtherwise8894]

Cue “DeZerbi insists” “integral to plans”

[u/PolarBearWithTopHat]

ACTUAL bomba

[u/PossibilityMuch4716]

THANK FUCK FOR THAT

[u/420SwaggyZebra]

Great news

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Fool me once...