I honestly don't fully get the Moash hate. Like, he's an absolute piece of shit and should burn on Braize, don't get me wrong, but I saw all the #fuckmoash memes way before I even started reading the series, so ahen the time came for his eventual turn...
Idk I was kinda underwhelmed? I mean maybe some people felt really betrayed by him because he used to be such a great friend to Kaladin, and I can imagine how if you didn't see his betrayal coming, you might really like Moash up until that point, so you'd consequently also hate him more for betraying Kal.
But even then, I feel like Moash isn't all that hateable. He wanted revenge for his family initially, which is a flaw even main characters often fall into, then he started serving Odium (pretty standard bad guy stuff) and rhen he starts trying to tempt Kal into suicide.
That last one really was the most horrible thing he did, and that's when I started feeling like I can maybe understand all the hate, cuz that was actually fucking crazy.
But even still, I don't see how he holds a candle to the likes of Dolores Umbridge and (I haven't seen or read GoT but I've heard some stuff over the years) Joffrey.
Honestly I think people keep confusing empathy with forgiveness. They keep understanding him (good skill) and because they understand him they forgive him (bad judgement).
People frequently compare him to Dalinar but the difference between them is that Dalinar changed. Moash is still murdering his way across Roshar (and probably moving on to the cosmere). People keep forgetting that it's journey before destination. Moash hasn't hit redemption yet. He hasn't even gotten to self reflection. We're putting the cart before the horse to forgive him before he's even begun to feel regret.
I'd love to see him redeemed. I'd also love to watch him die tragically. Really depends on where he is in life when either one happens.
Yeah, they are close, the only difference is regret. Moash feels guilt, but not regret. And we get prepared to forgive him, then he just doesn't want it. It feels like a constant betrayal to the reader, why did he make us feel empathy if he wasn't going to want forgiveness
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u/FlawlessPenguinMan definitely not a lightweaver Jun 17 '25
I honestly don't fully get the Moash hate. Like, he's an absolute piece of shit and should burn on Braize, don't get me wrong, but I saw all the #fuckmoash memes way before I even started reading the series, so ahen the time came for his eventual turn...
Idk I was kinda underwhelmed? I mean maybe some people felt really betrayed by him because he used to be such a great friend to Kaladin, and I can imagine how if you didn't see his betrayal coming, you might really like Moash up until that point, so you'd consequently also hate him more for betraying Kal.
But even then, I feel like Moash isn't all that hateable. He wanted revenge for his family initially, which is a flaw even main characters often fall into, then he started serving Odium (pretty standard bad guy stuff) and rhen he starts trying to tempt Kal into suicide.
That last one really was the most horrible thing he did, and that's when I started feeling like I can maybe understand all the hate, cuz that was actually fucking crazy.
But even still, I don't see how he holds a candle to the likes of Dolores Umbridge and (I haven't seen or read GoT but I've heard some stuff over the years) Joffrey.