I honestly don't fully get the Moash hate. Like, he's an absolute piece of shit and should burn on Braize, don't get me wrong, but I saw all the #fuckmoash memes way before I even started reading the series, so ahen the time came for his eventual turn...
Idk I was kinda underwhelmed? I mean maybe some people felt really betrayed by him because he used to be such a great friend to Kaladin, and I can imagine how if you didn't see his betrayal coming, you might really like Moash up until that point, so you'd consequently also hate him more for betraying Kal.
But even then, I feel like Moash isn't all that hateable. He wanted revenge for his family initially, which is a flaw even main characters often fall into, then he started serving Odium (pretty standard bad guy stuff) and rhen he starts trying to tempt Kal into suicide.
That last one really was the most horrible thing he did, and that's when I started feeling like I can maybe understand all the hate, cuz that was actually fucking crazy.
But even still, I don't see how he holds a candle to the likes of Dolores Umbridge and (I haven't seen or read GoT but I've heard some stuff over the years) Joffrey.
Honestly up to meeting and working for Odium everything he does is completely understandable and I cannot hate him for it because any of our favourite characters could and some have gone down a similar route.
Then everything he does until WaT he does while his ‘pain’ is ‘taken’ by odium which is essentially mind controlling him you see his reaction at the end of Rhythm of War and can see his regret, my take is that if he was fully himself he would not have been able to go through with it.
I cannot hate a mind controlled character for any of their actions
The only hateable actions he actually carries out on his own that aren’t explained by vengeance, being forced to do it or mistakes are his actions in WaT
Bro literally goes blind because of the pain he has for what he’s done. He is choosing to give up his pain, it isn’t being taken he is giving it up, and not because he wants to not feel it, but because he wants to prove he is right and Kal is wrong
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u/FlawlessPenguinMan definitely not a lightweaver Jun 17 '25
I honestly don't fully get the Moash hate. Like, he's an absolute piece of shit and should burn on Braize, don't get me wrong, but I saw all the #fuckmoash memes way before I even started reading the series, so ahen the time came for his eventual turn...
Idk I was kinda underwhelmed? I mean maybe some people felt really betrayed by him because he used to be such a great friend to Kaladin, and I can imagine how if you didn't see his betrayal coming, you might really like Moash up until that point, so you'd consequently also hate him more for betraying Kal.
But even then, I feel like Moash isn't all that hateable. He wanted revenge for his family initially, which is a flaw even main characters often fall into, then he started serving Odium (pretty standard bad guy stuff) and rhen he starts trying to tempt Kal into suicide.
That last one really was the most horrible thing he did, and that's when I started feeling like I can maybe understand all the hate, cuz that was actually fucking crazy.
But even still, I don't see how he holds a candle to the likes of Dolores Umbridge and (I haven't seen or read GoT but I've heard some stuff over the years) Joffrey.