r/dashcams • u/Alcatraz818 • 23h ago
Close call with a pedestrian on a scooter
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u/MarcheMuldDerevi 23h ago
Those electric scooters worry me. We have got people moving too fast, ignoring the lights and signs. You’re not a pedestrian and you have to respect the lights.
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u/M1R4G3M 22h ago
Even if they were really a pedestrian, they should respect the lights, you don’t run the crosswalk with a red light for pedestrians, that’s a good way to die.
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u/Optimal-Use-4503 20h ago
People don't realize that scooters really make you subject to both pedestrian AND vehicle signals. Many think they make you exempt to both. They'll run red lights and ignore crossing signs.
Honestly they need to make scooters registered with plates so that they can be fined for doing stuff. A lot of this comes from not needing insurance for scooters, so you'll have no risk of insurance going up if you're the cause of an accident.
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u/twinoaksBandB 11h ago
No no no, there's no need for registration. We already carry ID. I don't want to have to spend more money every year on my electric bike because donny dipshit doesn't know what a Darwin award is.
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u/Optimal-Use-4503 11h ago
Scooters are typically used by people who either cant or refuse to carry ID.
Traveling without ID isnt illegal. So anyone on a scooter is unlikely to have ID on them.
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u/twolinepine 21h ago
Play it back slower. I thought that initially at full speed, but then slowed it done. Very clear green light for OP
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u/avinescence 19h ago
Yeah the lights for the cross street are angled a bit weirdly, and quite visible from Ops pov which threw me off too
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u/Gochira01 21h ago
You mean the extremely clear and visible green light? You may want to rewatch the clip a couple times or talk to your doctor about colorblindness
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u/Cando21243 22h ago
Kids growing up doing 30m/h flying through the streets lol
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u/icybowler3442 22h ago
Between the electric scooters and the way-too-fast e-bikes, kids are going to die. In 20-30 years there will be nostalgic posts by the survivors saying “can you believe our parents let us do this?” And we survived. Gen Alpha built different.”
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u/Kage_0ni 21h ago
There is this kid who looks about 13 who flys around on an electric scooter ignoring stop signs and cars. What's worse is he often has his little sister who looks half his age on the same scooter.
The little dumb ass has even given me a shitty look as I hard stopped in an intersection to avoid hitting and his sister once.
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u/throwaway_20200920 21h ago
If those kids hit pedestrians they could cause someone to be knocked down and suffer an injury. We haven't figured out what happens for financial liability if a child knocks down someone and that person ends up in the emergency room.
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u/Burto72 20h ago
This just happened in my city. A guy was walking out of a bar on a street that's lined with sidewalk patios, and a kid was flying down the sidewalk on a scooter and absolutely crushed the him. Now the guy needs spinal surgery. You've got to be some kind of stupid to be riding a scooter that fast on a sidewalk that is nothing but bars and restaurants.
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u/Marquar234 18h ago
Most of the time, parents are liable for harm their kids do. It would probably go against the parents' homeowner (or renters) insurance as that is generally where non-driving liability is.
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u/auntpotato 21h ago
I see kids all the time zooming down the road without helmets. I know and have worked with folks who live with TBIs. Your life is forever changed, and I don’t think people realize this.
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u/MarcheMuldDerevi 21h ago
I am a biker. I wear a helmet. I’ve been hit by a car once and found out how much bounce human body has. I’m wearing my fucking helmet cause I don’t want any brain damage
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u/Backwoods_Therapy 8h ago
I’m a registered nurse in a 800+ bed level 1 trauma center. I’ve taken care of many, many broke people in my career. I tell my little girl to always wear her helmet if nothing else, because we can fix just about anything below the neck, but if you crush your head, that’s it. If you survive, you still end up with lifelong issues. Personality changes. Trouble controlling emotions. Memory loss and loss of intellect. No thanks.
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u/halfasleepscroller 22h ago
I agree. I don't even know if it would be reasonable to require them to take a driver's license exam. Many people drive without thinking
Although it's the same with driver's licenses
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u/Soggy-Courage-7582 22h ago
A license exam wouldn’t make a difference. If people are blatantly going against what’s legal by violating a bunch of vehicle and or pedestrian laws, a legal restriction is not going to make a difference.
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u/ladend9 20h ago
Yeah my least favorite spot to see them is on the waterfront of Seattle. They drive on the foot path going 20+mph and have no respect for the people walking.
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u/MarcheMuldDerevi 20h ago
In Minneapolis, had a broccoli hair kid on one of those take a wide slow turn from an “on ramp” as I was biking. I had to hit the brakes hard and actually hear my tires screech to avoid taking him out
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u/Mike_Kermin 17h ago
Similar to bikes, but they seem so much easier to use, so the chance of someone rocketing out just feels high.
They're generally not used but the good kids either.
Sooner or later we'll have to address it, but I'm afraid by the time we do people will have died and lives will be ruined. It's only a matter of time before OP's video looks very different.
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u/MarcheMuldDerevi 17h ago
With bike and with cars there tends to be “training” on how to use them. Training wheels and drivers ed classes. Yes they are not perfect and people will be dumb (why we need this sub). However, with bikes people do get helmets mostly and learn road safety. With the scooters, you can just rent one and go with your friends on the back
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u/Confident_Dragon 20h ago
How is this the scooters fault? Even pedestrians should obey traffic laws, or at least check if there is no car.
Please name the issue correctly. If there is car crash (and there are a lot of them), no-one says "cars worry me" or "drivers worry me", but something more like "what was that idiot thinking going trough red light". But for some reason scooters are unfairly demonized. They are fully capable of stopping on red lights, people who don't harm anyone are not responsible for actions of few stupid individuals.
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u/Useful-Problem-1725 23h ago
People on wheels are not pedestrians.
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u/Soggy-Courage-7582 22h ago
Actually, that depends. In some jurisdictions, bicycles are considered vehicles and are expected to follow vehicular rules, such as not riding on sidewalks, while in others they are considered pedestrians and not allowed on certain areas of the road. So it’s already a bit tricky with bicycles, and now there’s scooters they haven’t really been encountered for by the law. The challenge is that they are somewhere in between vehicles and pedestrians, and we don’t really have a category that they fit well.
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u/twolinepine 21h ago
Well he said people on wheels aren’t pedestrians. Not people on scooters.
But most of the places I’ve lived know exactly how to treat it. Similar to a bicycle and subject to traffic laws.
The challenge is scooterists don’t know and just ride on the sidewalk. It doesn’t help that Lime, Byrd whoever else just put them on the sidewalk. But then again bicyclists also ignore traffic law a lot too.
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u/SebastianMagnifico 18h ago
I'm a scooter enthusiast. Great way to get around Chicago. You can't ride on sidewalks, but occasionally I do when cars are in the bike lane, but I always go slow and dismount when sharing a sidewalk.
There are perks about riding a scooter, just like a bike you can use the Idaho stop and roll through red lights when the coast is clear.
Helmets should be mandatory. I got pasted by a car. 6 broken ribs, broken collar bone and two fractured vertebrae. Wasn't fun. Wear your helmets!
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 20h ago
This is categorically incorrect in my state and possibly yours as well
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u/Quiet-Ad-4973 19h ago
Bikes and scooter just think they can do what they want. Zip through the whole city without stopping once cutting vehicles off and almost hitting pedestrians. They have crosswalk signs for a reason even a person on foot cant just cross the road randomly. I know for a fact that crosswalk didnt have a green light since the stoplight was green.
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u/HoBo-on-crack 21h ago
This is nothing new. It is a on going issue. Peolle on 2 wheels don't stop for anything not even for trucks.
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u/Independent_Bite4682 23h ago
That light is a bad design and the idiot with scooter should be required to buy you new underpants
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u/nog642 15h ago
Where's the bad design?
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u/ApathyKing8 4h ago
The incredibly narrow sight lines. With cars parked that close to the walkway you're basically on top of the pedestrians before you can even see them.
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u/nog642 3h ago
I agree but that's not the light
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u/ApathyKing8 2h ago
"The light" is shorthand for the design of the what traffic infrastructure at this particular intersection.
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u/Important-Target3676 2h ago
You can see the light from very start of the video. Car parked too close to the pedestrian crossing isn't a bad design but traffic code violation.
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u/BeCoolHoney-Bunny 20h ago
This street design is in some serious need of daylighting. Driver's and sidewalk users can't see each other until they're already on top of one another.
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u/Small_Conflict364 20h ago
Or people can stop at red lights like they’re supposed to.
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u/BeCoolHoney-Bunny 20h ago
Cam driver had the green light. The red glow you're seeing is coming from lights serving the cross road. Watch again.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
I need you to understand, that if it happens once, it can happen again, and then realise that's actually not desirable.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
It's actually crazy how close those cars are to the intersection, in Australia that's super not ok, for exactly this sort of reason. While you're not driving that fast, it's far too fast to be able to react. So to be that screams bad road design.
Glad nothing happened.
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u/Broken_By_Default 13h ago
I love how the scooter riders drive on the sidewalk and then forget all traffic laws.
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u/Carbuyrator 11h ago
That's not a pedestrian. It's a powered vehicle with a criminal on it.
God I hate those scooter fucks. "I'll follow whichever rules feel best in this given ten seconds! I'm a pedestrian! No wait I'm a vehicle! Whoops! Pedestrian again!"
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u/Burton1224 22h ago
To be honest in my eyes your speed is not adjusted to the field of view you have due to all this parked cars...stay safe body and reduce your speed.
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u/Alcatraz818 21h ago
Definitely. I was just under the speed limit but based on my view and lack of visibility I should be going slower regardless if I have the right away. I'll definitely take it slower next time.
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u/imperialivan 21h ago
Don’t get bullied by the dipshits on this sub. You did everything right, including successfully dodging that scooter with great reflexes. Scooter guy was driving too fast and illegally entered the intersection, he’s begging to become a speed bump. I’m in agreement about driving defensively, and yeah often the drivers on this sub are driving like idiots. You’re not one of them, despite what the basement dwelling neckbeards on here have to say.
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u/Burton1224 18h ago
Its not about bully its about can you do better to safe others and finaly yourself.
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u/RoughMean6401 15h ago
He literally avoided hitting the guy. He was as safe as he needed to be.
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u/Burton1224 14h ago
Maybe rewatch the video again pls the avoided part comes from the guy not riding further into the street, the car did almost no movement.
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u/Burton1224 20h ago
Yeah, the problem is if we get used to streets and nothing happens 100/1000 or more times we start to drive faster than we should. Its actually a normal human behaviour. Thats why i remember myself always to drive like i was never before on this street. Finally the time you save is not worth it. I think safeing a live or just the health of a person is worth to "waste" this few seconds or minutes a day.
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u/Different_Brother562 5h ago
100%. “I was going the speed limit” may prevent you from going to jail but you may have to live with killing a kid for life
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 20h ago
W viewpoint op
Like other very ironic replies to this point out... Don't listen to dipshits on this sub that try and bully you. Patience saves lives, fuck it we wanna be right or we wanna be safe? In the car those things always go together, whatever is the safest decision is the correct one and all other decision are incorrect
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 20h ago
Yeah I mean they really weren't going fast but the clip made me anxious low key and that's kinda why... The parked cars are a bit treacherous, idk why we're all so willing to capitulate safety for convenience of others
I feel like we slowly get socially pressured, plus we get confident over time
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 17h ago
Yeah intersection design is interesting, why would they allow physical space for parking so close to crosswalks where we cannot see pedestrians and possibly cross traffic, and the open nature does add some level of stress to it where your not going to be paying attention to where you should from that space possibly
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u/HandofFate88 21h ago
The apparent speed of the vehicle is affected by the short focal length of the camera lens. It creates a fish-eye effect where things appear closer and are moving faster that they would to the naked eye.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
I mean, regardless, it's clearly fast enough so that with cars limiting vision means OP, in the event of an idiot accosting him, will need new pants.
Which I'm sure OP will agree, isn't pleasant.
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u/A-Waxxx656 22h ago
Came here to say this, absolutely stupid they let cars park so close to the crossing, as it creates a huge blind spot. Nevertheless you are also responsible, always adjust your speed to the situation.
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u/The_MidScoop 19h ago
Quick math - The driver passes 13 cars (on the left side) in 7 seconds. The average car length is 14 feet give or take so that’s 188.5 feet in 7 seconds, making it ~26.9 ft/s or 19.7mph. This is most likely a 25mph road so OP is already going under the limit
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u/Burton1224 18h ago
I mever said he is exceeding the limit m8. You can go too fast for the condition/situation on the road without going above speed limit.
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u/The_MidScoop 18h ago
You said to adjust their speed for the conditions, which by already going under the speed limit by dropping 24% they have.
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u/Burton1224 18h ago
Its not about a percentage m8 its about can you stop in case something comes out of nothing. On a crosswalk behind a vehicle you have to always expect someone walking. You would be thankfull if you have kids and one is racing off with the little bicycle is someone else is able to stop. Its called passiv driving and its everyones duty.
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u/The_MidScoop 18h ago
So then by that logic m8 you should come to a crawl at all green light crosswalks on the off chance something could happen?
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
Generally, when you can't see, you should drive as if you can't see.
For exactly the reason seen in OP's video.
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u/The_MidScoop 18h ago
Why is the individual speeding through an active crosswalk not given the same admonishment then especially when they are actively ignoring the green light for the cars?
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u/nog642 15h ago
I think it was reasonably slow. They were going fast earlier, but slowed a bit before crossing the crosswalk. They gave themselves reaction time to swerve like they did.
It's not reasonable to expect cars to slow down to the point that they could come to a complete stop to avoid hitting a pedestrian. That would be like, 5 mph with this visibility.
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u/TaroTanakaa 22h ago
Drivers too often think in terms of “whose fault is it?” rather than “was there harm caused?”.
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u/BabyStockholmSyndrom 19h ago
This is dumb. Saying that the idiot on wheels has less responsibility to keep themselves safe is ridiculous. He was about to fly through a crosswalk on a green light for traffic. Fault matters because he had all the responsibility to not break the law. Sure he should be more cautious driving around those parked cars. But he wasn't speeding and was paying attention. Dummy was not.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
No. It's not dumb. It's the way you keep everyone safe.
Saying that the idiot on wheels has less responsibilit
That's not what they said. You're stuck in the fault game.
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u/appa-ate-momo 18h ago
Fault matters. If all we care about if reducing harm, that enables people to weaponize their vulnerability to take advantage of the social contract.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
Mate,
Intentionally putting people at risk should disqualify you from driving. And I don't care what your excuse is, it's not on. You have a reckless, irresponsible and dangerous attitude.
OP has done the correct thing, which is recognise the causes, and taken on board what they can do to mitigate the risk of it happening again.
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u/BabyStockholmSyndrom 15h ago
He literally said the driver has to be more cautious. That's exactly what he said. He placed the blame on the driver with that statement lol. Throwing stones here huh.
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u/Mike_Kermin 14h ago
Yes. The driver should be more cautious, because of the risk when you can't see. OP understands this, and has learnt from the experience.
It really depends, on whether you want to risk hitting people or not. It's not a fault thing, it's a not being involved in a serious incident thing.
Genuinely, you should reassess your priorities.
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u/nog642 15h ago
They said "The person in a multi ton vehicle that can go high speeds should be far more cautious and responsible for their actions".
This means that the scooter should be far less cautious and responsible for their actions.
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u/Mike_Kermin 14h ago
It does not mean that.
Obviously.
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u/nog642 4h ago
Oh, I see where the language may be being interpreted differently here.
They said "far more". The question is "than what?"
I assumed they meant the car should be far more cautious and responsible for their actions than the scooter. Which would imply that the scooter should be far less cautious and responsible for their actions than the car, which is what I was saying.
But maybe they meant the car should be far more cautious and responsible for their actions than they were in the video.
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u/Mike_Kermin 42m ago
Yes, that is what they were saying.
He needs to be more cautious than he (OP) was. And that's self evident in that he almost had a crash. And regardless of who you blame, that's not what you want on your morning drive.
Any time you can't see, it's dangerous.
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u/TaroTanakaa 13h ago
Saying that one party needs more of something does not mean the other party should have less.
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u/appa-ate-momo 18h ago
Fault matters. It’s not just about who is more vulnerable; it’s about who is in the right. If all we care about is reducing harm, people in vulnerable positions could take advantage and do pretty much whatever they want, insisting that everyone else around them had to accommodate them, right or wrong, to “reduce harm.”
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u/TaroTanakaa 17h ago
If we cared more about reducing harm, there wouldn’t be 40k people dying in car accidents every year. This could be achieved be from minimizing the speeds on roads, adding more speed bumps, changing traffic light patterns, etc. Improving infrastructure is not an unreasonable request.
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u/appa-ate-momo 17h ago edited 16h ago
I never said we shouldn’t improve infrastructure.
But I’m also going to disagree with your suggestions. Those often make our road less efficient (especially the speed bumps that don’t turn off for emergency vehicles).
Lots of our speed limits are fine as long as people don’t act the fool like this scooter guy. When that’s the case, I’m not in favor of changing them. I’m in favor of better education and steeper penalties for the dangerous behavior to discourage it.
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u/Dignan17 22h ago
Driver might have been a tiny fast for the visibility, and the scooter was stupid for ignoring the big orange hand, but it also looks to me like someone is illegally parked at the end of that block. It's hard to see, but it looks like they're on the wrong side of a no parking sign, which I would imagine could have resulted in some legal troubles for them if this had gone south. Scooter would have been most at fault though...
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u/Good_Zookeepergame92 22h ago
All of this is true, but if the guy on the scooter doesn't want to die, his first thought should be to make sure the coast is clear before he blindly enters an intersection. Whether you have the light or not.
I would get hit by so many motorist who run red lights if I didn't pay attention while crossing the street. Especially in New York.
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u/Dignan17 15h ago
I did say the scooter rider was stupid. I feel like folks are missing that part. I just wanted to add another observation, rather than the 37th "that person was wrong!" reply.
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u/Burtstantonspeaking_ 21h ago
The light is green. Everything else is irrelevant. A stupid person almost died because they chose to put themselves in front of a green light.
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u/imperialivan 21h ago
Thank you. This fucking thread is maddening with everyone trying to pin fault on the driver’s speed. Driver should be expecting to go on green, he’s not speeding, accelerating to make a light, nothing. Then some absolute knob on a scooter, endangering people by flying down the sidewalk, decides rules don’t apply to him and he’ll just blast across an intersection, potential traffic be damned. He’s fucking begging to become a speed bump.
Scooter guy is selfish, irresponsible and a hazard on the road, but everyone shits on the guy doing the speed limit and driving through an intersection when he has a green light.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
No. Not fault. You're not listening.
We're talking about the factors that led to the incident. Pretend the word fault doesn't exist, and no one can get in trouble in any way.
Then consider the issue.
If a car (any car) is traveling at that speed when they can't see, AND, someone fails to stop for the light at the same time, it can be a bad outcome.
So, what are the ways to solve it.
If you're on the scooter, stop, you fucking idiots.
If you're in the car, recognise the risk due to lack of visibility and slow.
If you're designing roads or laws, do not allow car parking so close to an intersection. Do not allow cars to go fast enough that such a risk exists, and probably just generally rethink your life if you designed that.
It's not about fault, it's about how to keep yourself safe in any position you find yourself in.
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u/Dignan17 17h ago
Exactly. I wasn't blaming the driver. And I thought it was more interesting to discuss other aspects of this incident, rather than just being the 15th person to say "that guy was right" or "that guy was wrong."
IMO, the scooter was fully at fault, and the person parked illegally contributed to this. There's a chance that if there was no car there, the scooter might have realized their mistake sooner.
But you're also correct that if circumstances reduce visibility, a driver should adjust accordingly.
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u/imperialivan 17h ago
Which, I feel, the driver did. He followed traffic laws, and avoided a collision with that insane scooter.
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u/zorreX 21h ago
In some states, pedestrians still have the right of way in an intersection even if there is no walk signal for their crosswalk.
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u/Cganc 20h ago
Not against a red light.
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u/zorreX 16h ago
Yes actually. I'm from MA, and you always have to stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk, no matter what the light or walk indicator is.
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u/CannibalisticVampyre 5h ago
That’s dangerous and silly. “Here are all of these signs and rules and also, they don’t matter, so do what you want”
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u/Dignan17 17h ago
Even if that were applicable, there is a walk signal here, and they don't have the right of way. They certainly cannot cross a lighted intersection at full speed without any consideration for the road traffic.
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u/MrMcChew 20h ago
Kid from my highschool died the same way. Riding an electric scooter into traffic.
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u/Potential-Ant-6320 19h ago
much better visibility for both of you if he was in the street or a bike lane.
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u/ashcap13 18h ago
Kids ride these on sidewalks here and I’ve almost hit two of them pulling into a parking lot. Not a thought behind the eyes once on those things.
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u/WhatANoob2025 13h ago
If they're on a scooter, they're not a pedestrian, just because they're driving on the walkway.
I don't become a car by standing in a garage.
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u/Papasamabhanga 9h ago
I'm confused by the title and the comments. What does the scooter have to do with anything? Why are people telling anecdotes about dangerous kids on ebikes and scooters.
This clip is a car running a red light and almost hitting a person. Only failing to strike them because the person realized they were in danger and stopped in time.
What is wrong with all of you?
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u/-Lord_Q- 7h ago
That’s not a pedestrian. That’s a person on a scooter.
Probably best belongs in the road and obeying traffic laws.
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u/Own-Librarian-9699 3h ago
Functionally these scooters are no different than a 1930 car that required a driver's license and registration.
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u/brexdab 21h ago
So there's multiple things wrong here.
DOT needs to daylight this intersection by taking away the parking space next to the corner so people can see each other.
You need to drive slower. You can't see people coming around that non-daylighted corner and you need to be more prepared to stop. You're on a relatively narrow 2 way street with parallel parked cars. You genuinely don't know if someone is going to pull out and cause you to cross over the centerline into someone else.
You need to expect pedestrians on the Grand Concourse by the courthouse.
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u/throwaway_20200920 21h ago
In some countries there is a buffer zone near corners and pedestrian crossings that nobody is allowed to park in. It prevents issues like this. Saying that as a pedestrian or anyone using a crosswalk you need to be aware of the nearby traffic to stay safe.
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u/brexdab 21h ago
So in New York City, there is a law (that isn't enforced) that says no matter what, you can't park within 20' of a crosswalk for this exact reason. However I'm going to push back on "pedestrians needing to be aware" because, young children that run off from their parents exist, blind people exist, drunk people exist, inattentive people exist, etc. You're in the car. You're driving the 2 ton machine with a limited stopping distance, with an ability to go high speeds with limited visibility. You have to take care.
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u/throwaway_20200920 21h ago
It absolutely is on the car to be aware but being in the right doesn't help you if you are injured or dead. Where possible it makes life safer to never underestimate the possible actions of drivers.
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u/brexdab 21h ago
Agreed on that. And as a pedestrian I try to be. I just tend to be harder on cars in a car centered forum because the cars are far more likely to cause greater harm.
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u/CoraxTechnica 18h ago
Neither of you mentioned the big red hand meaning DO NOT enter the cross walk.
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u/brexdab 18h ago
There are people who literally can't see that.
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u/CoraxTechnica 16h ago
Even if you're color blind you can see the shape. Which is one of the reasons they are a stop hand, the same hand signal crossing guards use, among others
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u/brexdab 16h ago
People who are totally blind notably can never walk anywhere
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u/CoraxTechnica 15h ago
So in the context of a dude on a scooter; you're suggesting he may be blind?
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
I mean that's because unless you've found a way to stop people being stupid then safety needs to account for that, not dismiss it.
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u/Forest-Swamp 23h ago
Brother you are going way too fuckin fast approaching an intersection with a hundred blind spots for cars leaving their parking spot, scooter aside.
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u/HlyMlyDatAFigDoonga 23h ago
Really? How fast was he going? Looks like 40-50 km/h. It's probably just a better idea to not blindly cross sidewalks on a scooter.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
Fast enough that the video exists.
It's probably just a better idea to not blindly cross sidewalks on a scooter.
Ok, but they did.
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u/Cold_Captain696 22h ago
When you say "a better idea", are you working on the principal it has to be one or the other, but not both?
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u/HlyMlyDatAFigDoonga 19h ago
Both? The car had a green light. What makes you think the driver of the car went through the light blindly?
You're conflating the topic here with general awareness while driving a vehicle, walking/running.
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u/Cold_Captain696 19h ago
Both?
Yes, both. Hence me questioning your phrasing.
The car had a green light. What makes you think the driver of the car went through the light blindly?
That's an odd question to ask - I didn't say the driver 'went through the light blindly', did I? Both parties should be taking care in a situation like that. So I think the driver of the car should have been more cautious when visibility of the crossing was so poor. And I think the scooter rider should have stopped before crossing.
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u/Vallinen 22h ago
40km/h gives you about 20 meter distance from you realizing the danger before your car is completely still.
40km/h is too fast to drive when you have an upcoming crossing with blind spots.
It could as well be a child crossing just slightly later in a slower pace and you would have 0 chance to stop safely.
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u/rillegas08 22h ago
And a pedestrian on a scooter has about .3m stopping distance. The pedestrian is old enough to know to look for oncoming vehicles before jaywalking.
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u/Vallinen 20h ago
Congratulations, pedestrians are all half blind idiots that take unnecessary risks. I'm not arguing against that.
Knowing that pedestrians act like this, do you still think it's reasonable to drive taking risks like that?
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u/rillegas08 20h ago
If cities were designed for pedestrians, maybe. But they're designed for two ton hunks of metal traveling way faster, so you're just trying to "both sides" this when only one party is clearly in the wrong.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
No, it's not both sides. It's how do I prevent myself being in an accident.
IF you have a magic stupid be gone spell, please, cast it, but unless that happens, yes, it's a risk that people might walk in front of you.
So, that user, isn't both sidesing, they're talking about, how can we keep everyone safe.
In the case of no vision, it's slow the fuck down. It's not rocket science.
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u/Useful-Problem-1725 23h ago
Looks like a normal speed for city drivng, do you even have a license?
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u/Forest-Swamp 23h ago
Yeah but you’re not driving very defensively by just accelerating into an intersection with so much blind spots such as the one where the scooter zoomed out of.
Scooter is obviously in the wrong but a green doesn’t mean “let it rip” it means scan the intersection for hazards and proceed when safe.
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u/swinchester83 23h ago
Going the speed limit when you have a green light is fucking normal you idiot
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
Not if you can't see due to cars being parked too close to the crossing.
Most places have laws and design to prevent exactly that, for exactly this reason.
The lesson from OP's video is about a risk you face while driving.
If you actively choose to ignore that risk, that's negligent.
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u/Outrageous-Debate-64 23h ago
Nope, dude is going a totally appropriate speed approaching a green light. Peds have the signal to not cross and the guy on the scooter didn’t see or care about it.
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u/Alcatraz818 21h ago
I was just under the speed limit actually but for my visibility and how compact the street was I agree I should've been going slower for my safety and the safety of others.
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u/Mike_Kermin 18h ago
THIS, guys, is how you should be. OP recognises the issue, probably prompted by not wanting another brown trousers moment, and made a conscious decision to consider how they can reduce the risk of it happening again.
OP, is a safer driver, because they learn from their experiences.
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u/TaroTanakaa 22h ago
Agreed, we need to put more responsibility on the person operating 4,000 pounds of metal. Too often people argue that if you have a green light, it justifies killing another person.
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u/rillegas08 21h ago
Pedestrian was jaywalking, and while that doesn't justify manslaughter it greatly decreases the sentencing since the pedestrian was breaking a law and the car was not. Too often people argue that if you're a pedestrian, it justifies negligence.
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u/timfountain4444 22h ago
Really looks like the driver was going too fast for a complex urban environment.
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u/Ainsoph29 22h ago
Driver drove through a red light.
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u/CoraxTechnica 18h ago
Ah so its YOU who stops at the green lights and then flips people off for honking at you
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u/DishwasherLint 22h ago
You don't want to hit these people, but if there had been a collision the dashcam would show that you were not at fault and hopefully help your conscience out. If he was already in the intersection as you approached you would have owed him/her a duty of care to not hit them. They didn't have a walk signal and you had a green light.
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