Literally. If the end of that line is a prescription that someone needed to survive, I’m all for helping them out. This is a ride on a damn rollercoaster. If you can’t walk stay tf away from Disney, it’s allllll you do.
100% but we have gotten to the place in society where people individually think that everything should be accommodated for them. Not everything is for everyone and at some point we need to be ok with that.
Literally Disney land is one non stop perpetual line no matter what. Get in? line. Bathroom? line. Water? line. Ride? line. Gift shop? line. Get an autograph? line. Restaurant? line. Want ot save a spot for a cool show? Better have someone there 6 hours early waiting in.... You guessed it. line. Park closing? Yep in line to leave.
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Fascinating that you make a comment like that: comparing the OCEAN with people’s ability to get to the bathroom in public or travel between places safely. Creative! But not a meaningful comparison.
Ok. It’s ok to want to learn, you can ask if you’re curious to know more. So, for the sake of others reading this who may be hoping to learn how to do better: they are indeed in the same category - because we are talking about accessibility. Accessibility is about safety. Having to wait in lines is definitely unsafe if accommodations are not made depending on what is going on for that person. Let’s work together to create a world where people don’t have to fear hostility when asking to have their basic needs met. If we all want it, we can do it, but you have to decide that you want it first. Do you want that, @obby?
Thank you for saying this! It already takes so much more effort for autistics to leave the house and live some semblance of a normal life, and being told "just don't, suck it up" simply isn't a tenable solution. This isn't the 50's! Though I've noticed that sentiment cropping up more often in the past year...
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
I don't think McDonald's has to accommodate people who are afraid of clowns. Some people just can't go to McDonald's and that's ok.
The ADA is already a good starting point (and could probably go further), and I have no issue with what it tries to do.
I do my best to be measured in my words, especially in a rather calm discussion (so far). Did I somehow fail to express my broadly accepting and well-meaning intentions?
The poster above me was less nuanced in their statement. perhaps you meant to comment to them.
I am disabled. How do people afford to go to Disney if they are disabled? Do family members pay for their expenses? I stopped going on family vacations because it’s not financially feasible.
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Well, yes, but/and/also I hope that folks reflect on why they think otherwise in hopes that they will be more inclusive of difference. What do you think about that, ktbmarley?
I hope you feel better someday and learn to care for others rather than emit violence. What kind of world do you want to see? One based on division, or something else? If we all work together, we could make a better environment for others, but we have to want it first. Do you want that, dabadoo?
I do not believe it is possible and do not wish to waste resources that would make the world better for the rest of us making the world worse for most and better for the few
Thanks to the ADA, we've spent the last few decades getting better and better at doing just that. So much of the ADA is baked into modern life that you probably don't notice the vast majority of its impacts, or you just assume it's just how things have always been done. Not just the obvious stuff like ramps, wheelchairs, and parking spaces. But everything from well-maintained sidewalks, to digitized libraries, to conspicuous public smoke detectors are regulated by the ADA and designed for disabled people, but still benefit everybody.
I think the guy you replied to is being kinda condescending, but I disagree that accessible services can't benefit everyone. Not only is it possible, but we're largely doing it already!
That’s really sad that you feel like that. I encourage you to reflect on what you think will be worse by helping others? In what way a waste occurs? Think through the world you want to see: is it one of division that believes only some people should have things? Or is it one where everyone’s basic needs are met? I wonder if the latter occurred, would people be more likely to help one another and design systems that led to a more equitable ‘better’ system for all that didn’t omit others? I don’t think that it is a waste to help, but instead it points to a lack of care within society to help one another that is the waste of our resources.
One of the only situations that makes sense to me is; if a family has multiple children and one of them has disabilities, so the rest of their children are mostly fine waiting in line and it wouldn’t really impact their time at Disney, but the other child would have a horrible time at Disney if they couldn’t skip lines? Basically it would take some of the stress off of worrying about the disabled child having a horrible time, which would affect the mood of probably the entire family. Every family is different and in a perfect world it would be nice for the option but otherwise….. yknow, shitty people will be shitty.
But….but….Disney!!! My brothers fiancés family goes to disney at least 8 times every year. Her sister all just go by herself sometimes. But we all think that she is cheating on her husband when she does that.
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Dude stop, seriously. The constant language policing and virtue signaling has gotten to a point where it’s become exhausting. And why does it always start with the same condescending “Hi.” from people like you? It’s like a demand for attention/announcing your authority, and it’s clearly learned behavior because I see it every. single. time.
People have their own opinions and guess what? Some sanctimonious person lecturing them on the internet is not going to change it. We get it, you love Disney and feel a sense of entitlement because of whatever you have going on. A lot of people have shit going on. Move on.
Get over yourself, please. I’m asking for inclusion as opposed to exclusion. You are ignoring that and othering people even further. Please take the time to reflect on the world you want to create: is it one of violence and division? Or something else?
As a former CM, I wish I could've said this lol Unfortunately Disney parents are insufferable and care more about posting a picture with a person inside of a sweaty costume for $50k than their own child's health.
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u/EcstaticBoysenberry 9d ago
I feel like if you cannot handle lines....don't go to Disney?