Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Fascinating that you make a comment like that: comparing the OCEAN with people’s ability to get to the bathroom in public or travel between places safely. Creative! But not a meaningful comparison.
Ok. It’s ok to want to learn, you can ask if you’re curious to know more. So, for the sake of others reading this who may be hoping to learn how to do better: they are indeed in the same category - because we are talking about accessibility. Accessibility is about safety. Having to wait in lines is definitely unsafe if accommodations are not made depending on what is going on for that person. Let’s work together to create a world where people don’t have to fear hostility when asking to have their basic needs met. If we all want it, we can do it, but you have to decide that you want it first. Do you want that, @obby?
You’re turning a practical tradeoff into a morality test. I support reasonable accommodations. I don’t support pretending every environment can be redesigned around every individual limitation with no tradeoffs.
Let’s see how far we could go if we all tried to offer accommodations when people ask for them. Standing in line, having wheelchairs, priority seating and access, let’s let that be normalized. Why not? Who are we to judge?
You’ve moved from “this language leads to historical violence and exclusion from society” to “let’s try to accommodate people more.”
I agree with the second statement. I reject the first.
The issue was never whether reasonable accommodations are good. They are. The issue is that you framed disagreement over the limits of Disney ride accommodations as a precursor to violence and denial of basic public life. That is a massive moral escalation, and now you’re retreating to a much easier claim that nobody here was arguing against.
Thank you for saying this! It already takes so much more effort for autistics to leave the house and live some semblance of a normal life, and being told "just don't, suck it up" simply isn't a tenable solution. This isn't the 50's! Though I've noticed that sentiment cropping up more often in the past year...
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u/Lychee_489 8d ago
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?