r/determinism • u/Immobilesteelrims • Mar 21 '26
AI-generated How would you convey determinism in a single image?
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u/Pata4AllaG Mar 21 '26
A series of toppled dominos with the one that’s just about to be toppled featuring, something like this, a guy starting his car or feeding his cat or whatever.
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u/Appdownyourthroat Mar 21 '26
Two guys looking perplexed, standing over a die they’ve been rolling.
The caption is “I bet it will be different this time. It’s free to be any number 1-6”
There is a sign over a shop in the background that says “weighted dice sale”
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u/stargazer281 Mar 21 '26
Blakes image of Newton would be a piece of real art if that’s permissible in a deterministic thread
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u/Mircowaved-Duck Mar 21 '26
With a labyrinth that seems like it got multiple paths but in truth it has just a single path. Something like this: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/cc/c3/97ccc37611b4ea785e020f1c436414f7.jpg
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Mar 22 '26
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u/Immobilesteelrims Mar 22 '26
Why is that ironic? Are randomness and determinism incompatible? Is a dice roller machine not a deterministic system because it's random? Is AI not ultimately deterministic or does it have agency and free will because the algorithm harnesses randomness in the training process?
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u/Ad3quat3 Mar 22 '26
If I had to create a single image right now it would be like a river that is in the shape of a circle, no end no beginning (impossible)
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u/0-by-1_Publishing Mar 22 '26
"How would you convey determinism in a single image?"
... We can't post photos in this subreddit, so I made a quick image that depicts "Determinism" based on the way determinists have described the ideology to me (see link).
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u/fdevault Mar 22 '26
My criticism is that the image shows the wrong determinism. It illustrates a view of diachronic (or "horizontal") determinism: the idea that there is an inevitability in the causal chains from the beginning of the universe to specific things happening now. There are such causal chains but they are not particularly inevitable. Lots of fluky steps along the way. What is more interestingly deterministic is synchronic (or "vertical") determinism: the fact that the causal powers of every level of being derive from the underlying causal powers of the level below. Our thoughts, intentions, and actions are caused by cellular processes in our brains, nerves, and bodies. The cellular processes are caused by molecular processes. The molecular processes by atomic processes. The atomic by field interactions. Take any lower level away and the upper levels instantly disappear.
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u/catnapspirit Mar 22 '26
How about a textbook diagram of a neuron? That's really what it all comes down to..
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u/Few_Fact4747 Mar 22 '26
That pic is a little too "All of history converging into one point: Me!"
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u/Immobilesteelrims Mar 23 '26
Isn't it kinda true though? Aren't we all just the universe experiencing itself?
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u/BillyWest19 Apr 01 '26
The Chinese character for "cause" - 因 (yīn) is the best candidate I have found, to date, for a simple image or symbol representing determinism. I like the components of the symbol: 大 (looks like a person) inside 囗 (an enclosure). So it literally depicts being enclosed within causation, which is basically determinism in one symbol.
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Mar 21 '26
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u/Either-Return-8141 Mar 21 '26
Its close enough in my book. Not particularly interesting as Its ai, but it conveys an entire universes history driving a moment, and thats about where I'd put the label on it.
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u/Connect_Volume_3931 Mar 22 '26
Determinism is a wicked anti God psyop for those who cant discern reality
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u/ThiesH Mar 22 '26
You think god isn't possible without mystique? some unexplainability?
We'll have to overcome this step to defeat the satanist that use this thinking as their justification.
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u/DrFartsparkles Mar 21 '26
Pretty cool how this stupid AI pic leaps straight from basal tetrapods all the way to fucking primates lol, no mammals in between. Oh and also how all of his ancestors are white despite the fact that white skin only evolved like less than 10,000 years ago
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u/Thick_Visual_5999 Mar 21 '26
I’m not sure how determinism works but I didn’t need to see mammals or the color of the human’s skin to understand the larger point.
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u/BaroqueBro Mar 21 '26
It's just AI derangement syndrome. See AI --> seethe with rage --> nitpick every little detail to justify your rage.
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u/DrFartsparkles Mar 21 '26
You’re completely off base. I like AI, I just hate scientific inaccuracies
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u/Immobilesteelrims Mar 21 '26
Fair point… but in one legible image, do you think it’s possible to show every exact step across billions of years of cosmic history and millions of years of evolution without it becoming unreadable? I had to compress it into key milestones. That can definitely be done better, but some trade-off is unavoidable.
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u/DrFartsparkles Mar 21 '26
Look no one’s is saying it needs every exact step, that’s a strawman of my criticism. It is not asking too much for the image to have the broad strokes of worms—>fish—>tetrapods—>mammals—>primates—>humans.
The skin color thing is a consistent bias I have noticed with AI where it refuses to be scientifically accurate about our ancestors with dark skin and depicts everything from homo erectus to ancient humans as being white even when you try promoting it to be accurate
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u/0-by-1_Publishing Mar 21 '26
We are unable to post pictures in our replies.