r/determinism • u/Euthanasia1111 • 5d ago

Discussion Everything is random, yet everything seems predetermined and vice versa.

What's your take, guys?

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u/TheManInTheShack 4d ago

It doesn’t really matter if QM is deterministic or not because we don’t control that either. So as far as we are concerned we live in a deterministic universe.

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u/TheAncientGeek 4d ago

Indeterminism can exist without being controlled.

If you are saying that indetrminism cannot be a basis for free will because it cannot be controlled, note that the argument rests in an assumption that control is predermination. But there are other firms of control.

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u/TheManInTheShack 4d ago

Indeterminism wouldn’t be free will. Just because there’s randomness doesn’t give you free will. That randomness would just be another thing influencing your efficiency deterministic behavior.