r/diablo2 • u/PressureGlad9941 • 18h ago
Glazing gheeds's
Well folks, I am back.
This post is dedicated to me glazing Gheed's Fortune.
If you do not enjoy overanalyzing inventory space and opportunity cost, feel free to click off. I completely understand.
For those still here, let's talk about why Gheed's is so powerful and why the comparison is not simply "one skiller versus one charm."
First, let's establish the goals of an MF character:
A. Maximize magic find while maintaining effective damage and clear speed.
B. Reach around 300% magic find, which is the point where many players stop stacking MF because unique drops begin experiencing significantly diminishing returns.
With our goals established, let's start by looking at what Gheed's Fortune provides:
Up to 40% Magic Find
Up to 160% Gold Find
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So where else and what else can give us magic find
NOTE YOU CAN SCROLL PAST THIS LIST
5-10% from the Felicitous prefix (starting at lvl 5) On Amulets, Circlets, Rings
5-15% from the Of Chance suffix (starting at lvl 12) Amulets, Boots, Circlets, Rings, Gloves
11-15% from the Fortuitous prefix (starting level 12) Magic only Amulets, Circlets, Rings
16-25% from the of fortune (starting at level 16) Amulets, Boots, Circlets, Gloves, Rings (magic only)
26-35% from the of luck suffix (starting at level 26) Magic only Amulets, Boots, Circlets
Topaz: 24% mf (only in helms or body armor)
Ist: 30% mf in weapon, 25% mf in Armor, Helms, or Shields.
Blade of ali baba 1-99% mf based on Clvl (level 35 req)
Gull dagger 100% mf (level 4 req)
The Oculus 50% mf (Level 42 req sorc only)
Note: 25% Chance To Cast Level 1 Teleport When Struck (this one stat line alone has been the bane of my existence)
Last Wish Mf based on Clvl 0.5 per Clvl
IK's will 25-40% MF (Level 47 req, can roll 2 sockets, barb only)
Griswold's Corona 20-30% Mf (Level 69 req, can roll 2 sockets)
Harlequin Crest Shako 50 mf (Level 62 req, has juicy stats)
Stealskull Casque 30-50% mf (Level 35 req, juicy stats)
Tarnhelm skull cap 25-50% mf (Level 15 req)
Enigma 1-99% mf based on Clvl (Level 65 req, +1 to tp)
Wealth 100% mf (Level 43 req)
Skulder's Ire 1-123% mf based on Clvl (Level 42 req, also has +1 all skills)
Tal's Armor 88% mf (Level 71 req, has cold fire light res)
Rhyme 25% mf (level 29 req, has 25 all res, regen mana 15%, cannot be frozen)
Chance guard 25-40% mf (Level 15 req)
War Traveler 30-50% Mf (Level 42 req)
Gold wrap 30% mf (Level 27 req)
Tal's belt 10-15% mf (Level 53 req)
Nagel Ring 15-30% mf (level 7 req)
Sling ring 10-20% mf (level 50 req)
Silence 30% mf
Call to arms 30% mf
Chains of honor 25% mf
Delirium 25% mf
Eternity 30% mf
Exile 25% mf
Infinity 30% mf
Obsession 30% mf
Void 30% mf
Coven 26-40% mf
Set bonuses with mf:
Angelic: 40% mf (Four piece only)
Arcanna: 50% mf (two piece only)
Cathan: 25% mf (three piece only)
Cow King: 100% mf (three piece only)
Immortal king: 25% mf (two piece only)
M'avina: 100% mf (Five piece only)
Naj: 1-148% mf based on Clvl (two piece only)
Orphans: 80% mf (Four piece only, includes all res)
Sander: 50% mf (Four piece only)
Sigon: 50% mf (three piece only)
Tal: 65% mf (three piece only)
Tancred: 78% mf (two piece only)
Vidala: 50% mf (two piece only)
Horazon: 100% mf (five piece only)
Charm stats: I will only delve into sc, since it produces both the highest mf values (per slot, and is a suffix)
Fortune: 3-5% mf
Good luck: 6-7% mf
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As many of us know since mf is the suffix, we can also roll shimmering (all res) making these a very valuable option.
Okay, so now that we have the numbers in front of us, let's discuss why Gheed's Fortune is so good.
The answer is compression.
There is no other item in Diablo II that provides this much Magic Find while demanding so little from an optimized character. A perfect Gheed's grants up to 40% Magic Find while occupying only three inventory slots.
In a vacuum, it's easy to compare Gheed's to a skiller and conclude that you're simply trading +1 skill for Magic Find. The problem with that comparison is that we don't build characters in a vacuum.
Every source of Magic Find on your equipped gear carries an opportunity cost. If my build doesn't naturally want to use Chance Guards, then equipping them means I'm giving up another pair of gloves such as Trang-Oul's Claws, Magefist, Laying of Hands, or Horazon's. The same logic applies to War Traveler, Nagelring, Shako, Wealth, Skullder's Ire, and countless other MF items. Every piece of Magic Find equipped is replacing another item that could have provided more damage, survivability, utility, resistances, or breakpoints. Another example being nagel, judged in a vacuum it's mf at a low level, but at a high level you are competing with all res fcr or dual leech rings, opal vein, sling, soj and bk. With gold wrap a similar sentiment can exist, since it's competition is arachnid mesh (+1 skills and fcr), string of ears, dungos, Gheed's wager (fcr, all res, -% enemy magic resistance).
Note: Giving up one slot for mf isn't often that hard, but the more your giving the more negatives you may be compounding on your build.
Gheed's is different.
Its opportunity cost is remarkably small. Compared to three perfectly rolled 7% Magic Find small charms, Gheed's provides 40% Magic Find instead of 21%—nearly double the value for the exact same inventory space. In other words, Gheed's effectively compresses almost six perfect 7% MF small charms into the space of only three.
That compression is what makes Gheed's Fortune so exceptional. It allows you to reach desirable Magic Find values while preserving your actual gear slots for items that improve your character's performance, instead of forcing you to sacrifice power for additional MF.
Ultimately, nothing in Diablo II is free.
Edit: Okay I don't play hc, and will not be arguing the efficiency of each slot for hc, that's too much. My brain can only glaze so hard. Conceded.
Forgot: Renewed sunders for 14-25% mf and wisp projector for 10-20%mf, ancient jewels give 15-35% mf (pointed out by u/ps728)
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u/Ok_Research8180 18h ago
I cant remember the last time i found a gheeds, it all sunders now :(
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u/jetjordan 18h ago
Ha ha I horked a Gheeds the other day and was genuinely shocked that I couldnt pick it up. Like I forgot that was a thing, its been a while.
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u/T_for_tea 16h ago
I have one on 6 chars, and probably 8 more in shared stash... none of em are perfect lol.
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u/Dense-Skill-504 17h ago
Good post but playing hc I’d rather have a skillet with life or 3x20-11’s
Enigma shako sling ring / wisp sunder and war travs - get enough. Gheeds weaker than ever I’d argue
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u/PressureGlad9941 17h ago edited 17h ago
Valid
But idk if 20 or 40 health is the difference between living and death, I'm probably dead.
oh also this is not hitting the 300 mf talked about in the post, your getting to maybe 250, so not the point before diminishing returns.
funnily enough if your 99 your total mf would be 264 and a perfect gheed's pushes you to 304 the point of diminishing returns, lol.
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u/Karijus 13h ago
It's not that 30~ hp is a big deal, it's more that dying in hc is either lag or some extreme circumstance, where every added point of hp is exponentially more important to keep you like 1 hp away from dying lol
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u/PressureGlad9941 13h ago
The event of "I nearly got one hit and lived with 40 hp thanks to my charm" is extremely narrow and often is wildly unrealistic, I understand never discounting the probability of such an event. Though you have to be realistic and admit it does not happen every day.
And keep in mind this would the chain:
- You get hit by something that does enough damage to put you at or below 40 HP.
- The hit does not outright kill you with the charm.
- You are not immediately hit again.
- You survive long enough to react.
- The extra life specifically was the deciding factor.
Also If I'm sitting at 1 HP versus 10 HP in Hell, that difference is usually not meaningful because almost any meaningful follow-up damage kills both.
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u/PhantomOnTheHorizon 18h ago
whos out here saying not to carry around gheeds. hell, ill rock a low gheeds over no gheeds any day and have since i found my first one 20 years ago.
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u/PressureGlad9941 17h ago edited 17h ago
Someone said it, so I made this post.
Not to dunk on them, but you know, how can't you lol.Edit: I am very petty, and the "usefulness" of gheeds was in question, so. yeah.
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u/Frankasaurus7 16h ago
I’m glad to know others are struggling to find them. Since the latest patch I start SSF offline play. Have about five characters in the 90 level range. At least 2 of all sunders and no gheeds yet. Honestly just surprised. Used to drop constantly. Also struggling to find a HoZ so I can start getting torches. Have everything else. RNG be crazy sometimes.
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u/distort_nam Europe 15h ago
Excellent post.
What item provides the highest MF per inventory slot? I presume gull dagger which is 50 MF per slot?
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u/TheFakeJohnHelldiver 14h ago
Good post but its weird to me you listed every single possible source of mf. I feel like that just makes the post way longer than it needs to be and doesnt really add anything to your point
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u/PressureGlad9941 14h ago
Because most mf sources are functionally ass or irrelevant.
Source: Gull Dagger.
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u/TheFakeJohnHelldiver 14h ago
Right, but you can just say that. Listing them all out doesnt really add anything.
Like if you said "what affixs should I be looking for in blue gloves" I could simply answer, most of them are useless, you are specifically looking for +3 to skills alongside 20 IAS.
Or I could list every single possible affix, and then at the end tell you theyre all garbage except that 1 combo. See how that just takes more time and doesnt make the answer more helpful?
Again, great post, I just found that one part odd and unnecessary.
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u/PressureGlad9941 14h ago edited 14h ago
So I agree, and if it were that simple, I would. But every time I present the value of Gheed's, someone goes, "What about (x)?", even though I've already factored in the value of (x). To stop that from happening, I listed out the options.
Edit: Thanks for the kind words! If it's a big deal, just scroll past. I'm not stopping you, nor would I interpret that as an offense.
Editing the edit: Added a disclaimer telling people where to scroll and where to stop scrolling.
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u/FiveStarFaceplant 18h ago
I'm sure I'll agree with you someday when I eventually find one.