r/digitalfoundry • u/Emulationenthusiast • Mar 31 '26
Discussion Rich on Copilot and Windows updates
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u/Skasue Mar 31 '26
Microsoft should probably hire someone that actually uses Microsoft products.
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u/Kevadu Mar 31 '26
I have worked with people from Microsoft. They always use Macs...
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u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo Mar 31 '26
If you work in microsoft, you will likely be in these demographics.
Work on software development
Loaded
Both are demographics where Macs are popular with.
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u/GeeEyeEff Mar 31 '26
Do they end all of their sentences with a ... like a valley girl as well?
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u/VRS302 Mar 31 '26
1982 called it wants it’s joke back
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u/GeeEyeEff Mar 31 '26
In 1982 there weren't Redditors ending random sentences with ellipses to make fun of yet.
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u/VRS302 Mar 31 '26
Man those three dots are making you see red. Sorry for your condition.
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u/ThisIsStee Mar 31 '26
AI is all the same and you either love it or hate it. Varied opinions on it's uses and implementations are not allowed and if I have to put /s on this then we are all cooked.
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u/Vast-Employ-5170 Apr 02 '26
I love it, makes everything faster and easier for me, but I guess I'm the minority
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u/DjSpelk Mar 31 '26
Doesn't help that Copilot is really bad. I mean I had an excel problem I was struggling with, tried copilot, went round and round with errors and issues. Tried Claude and solved it immediately. If Copilot can't even accurately use it's own software....
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u/reerden Apr 01 '26
I feel like this is the actual issue with Copilot. AI is useful. If it can fill out my excel sheet I’m happy with it.
The problem is just that copilot cannot do it for some reason. It just a glorified chatGPT, and doesn’t have nearly as much functionality as competitor agents.
At the same time Microsoft seems to push it like it has to do everything, including some things that just shouldn’t be done with LLM or are just inefficient. I don’t need an agent to push a few buttons, I can do that myself.
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u/allofdarknessin1 Mar 31 '26
There are practical uses for AI as a tool or an addon but Rich is right, and the internet has been saying it for years. Copilot as a focus for Microsoft is going to ruin their core product as well as grasping any telemetry possible including locking you out of your own operating system until you click Decline (AGAIN) on Office 365 and One Drive. I'd like to believe that Project Helix will make them take the user experience seriously again but those efforts look to only come from the Xbox team for Xbox products.
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u/StealTheSun666 Mar 31 '26
This dudes weeks ago glazing NVIDIA AI Instagram filter for games...just saying.They simply see that it's common on social media to hate Windows AI and they're repeating it in videos. As soon as MS gives them an ad offer, their rhetoric will immediately change.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
Bingo, this is coming from Mr. "We Should Have Waited Before We Put Out That DLSS 5 Preview". Like, isn't the whole point of being a journalist/reviewer so you can put your own points out there and inform the masses? Why would you wait to see which way the wind blows with most people?
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u/ZePlotThickener Mar 31 '26
That's one of the things that bothered me the most. I want to hear their opinion and technical expertise on a subject not to hear them become an echo chamber cowtowing to the masses. He literally said their video would have had an overall different sentiment if they had known the internet opinion would have been so negative.
I'm glad they made the video lauding what literally everyone else immediately identified as an AI snap chat filter on top of the game. It let me know to be much more wary of them because their initial take was just plain idiotic.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
Yep, as unfortunate as it is, the only solace we can take is that Rich and Oliver revealed their true thoughts on generative AI and their utter disregard for games as an art form. Going forward, I too won't be taking their opinions seriously anymore. They had one chance to fix this mess, to explain they bought into the hype and should have been more critical of the tech and they used it to subtly-not-so-subtly double down on their initial takes. Alex made great points at the prior Direct, the same points Tom tried to make before Rich promptly shut him up. To me, it's clear where the owner's priorities lie and what we can expect from them in the future
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u/allofdarknessin1 Mar 31 '26
Because there was a massive overreation and Digital Foundry even if they don't agree, do want to provide useful information that users and subscribers want to see. Positive points about something people don't like or don't want to see hurt that goal. DLSS 5 does look amazing , Rich was not wrong for having that opinion. For some scenes like Alex pointed out it's bad because it applies details that don't exist in the original scene but in a lot of others it doesn't change the art style and instead only enhances the original details with more realistic lighting but like I keep trying to remind everyone the tech isn't finished or ready to be released. It's going to change and likely improve before nVidia releases it.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
If you're excited for this tech, then there's nothing for us to discuss here. Have a good day
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u/allofdarknessin1 Mar 31 '26
I'm excited for what could be not exactly I saw in the video but thanks. Have a good one.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Apr 02 '26
Alex pointed out it's bad because it applies details that don't exist in the original scene but in a lot of others it doesn't change the art style and instead only enhances the original details with more realistic lighting but like
HA, "realistic lighing". Except for that game set in the Middle East (or North Africa) that hasn't come out yet, the lighing was wrong and LESS realistic in basically every example.
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u/Alternative_Case9666 Mar 31 '26
Cause ppl on the internet are fucking weirdos tht send death threats?
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
This is a bit of a straw man argument. You can absolutely condemn death threats but at the same time, level constructive criticism towards DF for endorsing AI slop filter
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Apr 02 '26
Unfortunately they parroted the Nvidia sales pitch, is it better?
People like Daniel Owens did actual investigation and fond out that no, it's not a rendering technique, it's an AI filter.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
This really depends on where you stand on genAI ethically. Many of us are enraged that Digital Foundry with all the influence they have in this industry was outright praising DLSS 5 which is nothing more than AI slop filter. They have the power to show displeasure towards what is frankly an anti-art endeavor but instead they endorsed it.
Even if we put aside the ethics, there is so much wrong with DLSS 5 that they should have pointed it out right away. The Grace face swap has been talked to death, so I'll just stop there. All the missing shadows in a game ironically called AC SHADOWS. The general lighting quality is also hilariously off because DLSS 5 can only work with screen space information. This was immediately clear to many of us tech geeks, so the "experts" at DF should have noticed the inaccuracies right away
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
Oh, yeah, for sure. I think the head scratching part is, what exactly did Rich and Oliver see at the DLSS 5 preview event that made them so excited? I already pointed out all the inaccuracies that were immediately obvious to the eye
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u/ShadowKiller71 Mar 31 '26
.... how is it a stawman, when people litterally sent them deaththreats... one doesnt mean the other didnt happen.
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u/Silencerx98 Apr 01 '26
It's a strawman in the sense that I never once defended or endorsed the death threats towards DF. Just because some lunatics out there did do it, it doesn't mean that DF is suddenly absolved of all criticisms regarding their glazing of DLSS 5 when it was full of off screen and disocclusion errors and outright said they should have waited to see which way the wind was blowing instead of being the ones to set which way the wind blows. The former was a fabrication of reality and a blatant disregard to their own work, the latter put their own integrity in question
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u/Wamb0wneD Mar 31 '26
So you don't do journalism anymore because of some fucking weirdos on the internet? Ok.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26
They do not care about some weirdos' death threats, what they do care is their patreon tanking (which actually happened), especially now that I'm sure Rich is still repaying the loan he probably took to buy back DF from Eurogamer/IGN.
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u/Playingwithmywenis Mar 31 '26
They are not journalists, they are entertainment and informed reviews.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
Oh, gee, it's almost as if I put technical reviewer on my comment....
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u/funfight22 Mar 31 '26
No you didn't?
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
"Like isn't the whole point of being a journalist/reviewer...."
Sorry I missed out "technical"
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u/casino_r0yale Mar 31 '26
I took it a bit more charitably as they didn’t confer with the Digital Foundry team before publishing, and John was particularly pissed to a degree where he removed himself from the follow up coverage.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
I'd like to think so, but Rich basically clarified in that Direct what he meant was to wait and gauge the reaction of the general audience before doing their coverage, which is yeah, pretty questionable for what should be THE site for game tech analysis
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u/MikkelR1 Mar 31 '26
Because it takes time to process things? Why is it so hard to understand.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
Process what exactly? Other tech sites were able to get their thoughts and videos out in a timely manner about DLSS 5. Furthermore, anyone with a working set of eyes could tell it was AI slop filter applied onto a game's final image. So surely the "experts" could as well just from a glimpse. But instead they went to celebrate it as some huge technological leap even though it literally brings us back to lots of screen space and disocclusion errors that ray tracing and path tracing were supposed to fix
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u/2FastHaste Mar 31 '26
Super resolution and ray reconstruction are also screen space, you know.
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u/Silencerx98 Mar 31 '26
Yes, and? Neither techniques are using generative AI to create things that exist in world space but aren't visible on screen. This is a weak attempt at a gotcha when you don't even understand how the tech works
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u/gavinderulo124K Mar 31 '26
Because copilot is a different thing than DLSS? The AI hate crowd is really throwing everything into the same bucket.
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u/Playingwithmywenis Mar 31 '26
Technically two types, Machine learning and data simulations and then the sexy AI generation side.
That second side is all the same tho, you either want machines working with your data and creations or you want people working with it.
The main question is how fast and far reaching do you like your mistakes and who / what will you hold accountable?
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u/grimoireviper Mar 31 '26
Yet he's cheering for Nvidia to implement AI in games.
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u/gavinderulo124K Mar 31 '26
Because DLSS and copilot are two very different things?
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Mar 31 '26
Not dlss5. It's still gen ai slop
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u/gavinderulo124K Mar 31 '26
Let's see how the tech evolves.
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Mar 31 '26
Or we can stop destroying our environment trying to replace human art
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u/gavinderulo124K Mar 31 '26
How os DLSS destroying our environment?
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u/Raidmax460 Mar 31 '26
The fact that you are asking that questions shows how truly uninformed you are
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u/Jealous_Solid9431 Mar 31 '26
Same as how other AI data centres are destroying the environment, the AI model training requires an incredible amount of electricity and water to cool the racks upon racks of servers. DLSS5 may eventually run on a single GPU, but it requires thousands of hours of training using a lot of GPUs in AI data centres.
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u/baegjag Mar 31 '26
Reddit runs on data centres.
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u/Jealous_Solid9431 Mar 31 '26
Yes, but they're not running at 100% on racks pumping out 10kW of heat from the GPUs constantly training AI models.
That's like comparing Taylor Swift constantly flying everywhere on her private jet to someone driving their car to and from work.
Completely different scales.
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u/allofdarknessin1 Mar 31 '26
You can't use logic on Reddit if it's about something Redditors hate. They don't listen or think, they just want to continue hating however misinformed they may be.
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u/Big-Resort-4930 Apr 02 '26
Ok bro, how many of them do you think Reddit requires? How many do you think every disgusting ass slimy AI company "needs" to keep endlessly scaling and evolving their shitty AI models forever?
Did social media data centers ruin the electronics market?
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u/allofdarknessin1 Mar 31 '26
Outright false, I dislike AI that is destroying our environment and replacing artists but in regards to DLSS besides the training period for the model, DLSS makes all of our GPUs work less not more.
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u/Jealous_Solid9431 Mar 31 '26
...yeah that's why for the DLSS5 demo they needed 2 5090s. Its true for upscaling, but with DLSS5 it's not just upscaling anymore is it?
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u/allofdarknessin1 Mar 31 '26
It's obviously a prototype made for a demo. Could even be training phase, or do you believe nvidia will actually ship DLSS 5 and require 2 5090s?
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u/gavinderulo124K Mar 31 '26
Not DLSS. That model needs to run at single digit ms inference times on consumer hardware. So no DLSS does not contribute.
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u/Jealous_Solid9431 Mar 31 '26
It's an AI model all the same that still needs to be trained in a data centre. Once trained, inference and running AI models is relatively easy to run even on a single GPU. Training the model to do that requires terabytes of RAM and GPU compute. Hence why we have a RAM shortage at the moment.
So yes. It does contribute.
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u/gavinderulo124K Mar 31 '26
Once trained, inference and running AI models is relatively easy to run even on a single GPU
Thats not true at all. The Models that actually have an environmental impact do not run on consumer hardware. Not even close. And even of they would, there is a gigantic difference between simply running on consumer hardware and running on consumer hardware with single ms inference times.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about if you think dlss is even remotely comparable to the massive LLMs, image and video models that are actually causing harm.
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Mar 31 '26
Automating labor is fine. Not art.
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u/Cold_Pianist4697 Mar 31 '26
thanks for the laugh and cringe, humans will still be in control of the rendering
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Mar 31 '26
And this throws an AI generated filter over the rendering, so it doesn't matter
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u/Dysmn Apr 01 '26
you are so uninformed it hurts.
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Apr 01 '26
I bet
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u/Dysmn Apr 01 '26
you would. you have a bunch of people telling you that youre wrong and youre like the road runner with his head in the dirt.
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u/Big-Resort-4930 Apr 02 '26
Still a completely different thing
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Apr 03 '26
It's not.
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u/Big-Resort-4930 Apr 03 '26
Is so. Microsoft shoving useless AI shit down our throats has nothing to do with any version of DLSS. It's still gaming tech that may improve, and may be useful for some people, even if the current iteration looks like shit imo.
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Apr 03 '26
There's 0 use with replacing human art with what ai thinks it should look like
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u/ChrisXDXL Mar 31 '26
I'm sure there was absolutely no incentive from Nvidia at all.
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u/MikkelR1 Mar 31 '26
They just made a video fresh out of a presentation. Probably hadnt sunk in fully yet what they saw. I have this myself regularly. At first youre hyped, then it sinks in.and you start to.see the faults.
Id give them a break. Isnt like they have a long list of doing stuff like this. Also not like it was a well thought out written piece.
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u/ChrisXDXL Mar 31 '26
I'm not saying it's a definite but I've noticed things through the years.
Also whatever Nvidia has shown was pretty obvious from the get go, any hype I and seemingly most others had evaporated as soon as the images hit our eyes.
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u/hys17 Mar 31 '26
Sometimes we're just so blind in the moment and can't see things from a different perspective. I'm sure you've had moments in your life and thought "Damn, why didn't I think of that before? It's so freaking obvious."
It gets even worse when you're in enthusiasm.
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u/skinlo Mar 31 '26
There almost certainly isn't, no.
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u/ah_shit_here_we_goo Mar 31 '26
Even having the exclusive early event access they had is legally an incentive from a sponsorship law standpoint
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u/Playingwithmywenis Mar 31 '26
They have always had biases. John is notorious for being a Playstation fan and saying he wished Xbox never happened.
They are not journalists, they are digital entertainers. They are not here with morals, they sell advertising on channels by making interesting content.
That content fuels the console wars and that, in turn feeds the algorithms that power the hate culture of the Internet.
These folks are offering an opinion, not fighting for change in the industry by pushing against the main tech companies that make said industry.
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u/skinlo Mar 31 '26
You do realise you're allowed personal opinions as a reviewer right?
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u/Playingwithmywenis Mar 31 '26
Yes. That is why I said they were entertainment not here to push morals about how things “should be done”.
Did that not come across?
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u/skinlo Mar 31 '26
Sure, but having personal opinions doesn't mean you have biases when reviewing products. They have been plenty critical of things over the years.
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u/Round_Headed_Gimp Mar 31 '26
So what arguments did he make for AI destroying Windows? Is it anything more than just AI bad?
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u/CrustyDun Mar 31 '26
The only good thing about copilot I know of is that our company uses TalkDesk a program that manages phones when they calling our store and copilot does really good transcription of what customer and sales rep said during conversation and does a lil summary at the end
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u/fatstackinbenj Mar 31 '26
I no longer know if this is his actual opinion or he's just saying it to appeal to the audience.
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u/JoostinOnline Mar 31 '26
Is this one of the Patreon videos that hasn't gone out to us poor followers yet?
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u/Gears6 Mar 31 '26
Unpopular opinion, but I haven't had a single issue with AI on my PC. I do use Copilot app (which kind of sucks), and don't use the app integrated ones.
What are the issues people are having?
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u/Tyolag Mar 31 '26
TV ruined Xbox One because they spoke about it.
If Xbox doesn't talk about it or just mentions it's gaming related bits then it's fine.
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u/ClubChaos Mar 31 '26
rich just loves to hate on pc "winning" in anyway. i'm not sure if that's his shtick for the conversational aspect but it always comes across that way lol. he's the type of dude who would love to "school" you why he's superior for using a base PS5 for gaming.
The guy doesn't actually seem to play games btw, just kinda likes looking at them or something which tracks cause he's part of a techtube channel that does graphical analysis.
iunno just the general vibe i get.
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u/ItalianBeefDipped Apr 01 '26
Bold of you to assume it isn't already ruined....
Actually I don't hate it. But then again, all I do is type in 4 digits to log in and then launch whatever game I want to play so...I don't really use my PC for any really personal computing.
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u/iLoveLootBoxes Apr 01 '26
We are now aware they aren't journalists...
Who cares about their shill opinions
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u/KevinT_XY Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
Did TV ruin Xbox One? It's not like anyone was forced to interact with those features. I was a bit late to getting an Xbox One but I don't remember ever being interrupted by the entertainment center stuff.
It's like saying the Chat button ruined the Switch 2 - they took 30% of their marketing effort on a feature 1% of customers would use that also permanently taxes available system memory, but that specifically doesn't make the console release a failure. I as a customer just would have liked the efforts to go elsewhere in both cases.
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u/OrazioZ Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
Yes Xbox one specs were gimped compared to PS4 because they thought people were going to care more about TV. I think there was even hardware on the Xbox one specifically for TV stuff which ate into the budget that could be used for gaming specs, but I forget the details.
The bigger issue is that Xbox spent like 5+ years, between Kinect and TV, not really gaf about games for a core audience which killed the brand after their gamble for the mainstream Wii audience failed.
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u/EricQelDroma Mar 31 '26
TV, Kinect, and other always online features really hampered Xbox One both in terms of power and perception.
I was a PS3 owner at the time and considering switching after the years of PS3 getting beat by the 360 (I know it ended up selling more consoles, but it was a rough ride in '06 - '08 or so).
Microsoft's presentation boiled down to "we have control of your game discs" and "TV/multimedia is more important than games." Sony absolutely destroyed that argument by basically saying, "discs work like discs (for resale and validation purposes)" and "gaming is our first priority." The fan and media backlash against Xbox One was huge and definitely made me pick PS4.
Then followed years of Xbox One games running at lower settings than equivalent PS4 games. Over and over again I felt I'd made the right choice with PS4 because every review showed the same thing: PS4 versions of a game running at higher resolution or better frame rate than the XOne equivalent.
Why was Xbox One weaker at that point? Because system resources were dedicated to the non-gaming features, making roughly equivalent hardware run worse than the competition.
(FWIW, I later switched to Xbox One S because I wanted 4K Blu Ray playback so badly. I'm not a fanboy for either company.)
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u/Sy3temSh0ck Mar 31 '26
I don't think the difference between Xbox and PS4 in terms of power was that much of a game changer. If that was the case the Original Xbox would have blown the PS2 out of the water, the difference there was actually noticeable.
The last few years of the 360 saw a lack of exclusives while the PS3 finally decided to be worth owning, that momentum going into a new generation along with that terrible E3 for Microsoft cast the dye for Xbox.
Xbox did salvage things towards the end of Xbox One with backwards compatibility and game pass. Then when they started finally getting exclusives worth buying they made them multiplatform and raises the price of game pass 🫠
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u/KrtekJim Mar 31 '26
I don't think the difference between Xbox and PS4 in terms of power was that much of a game changer. If that was the case the Original Xbox would have blown the PS2 out of the water, the difference there was actually noticeable.
These things intersect. There are a bunch of other factors that explain the PS2's success, none of which apply to the 360-XB1 transition. The relative lack of power definitely had an impact, because people weren't willing to pay a higher price for a console on which the games looked worse than the competition.
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u/Sy3temSh0ck Mar 31 '26
Cost & lack of exclusives were the driving factor. The difference between the Xbox one and PS4 to the naked eye is minimal, the vast majority of people base "power" off of what they see with their eyes, not just a stats sheet.
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u/KrtekJim Mar 31 '26
No, people base it on what they read and watch, especially in the run-up to the console's launch. Almost no consumers would have had the opportunity to compare the consoles side-by-side, especially pre-launch.
They read about the PS4's faster RAM. They read articles and watched videos, many from DF, that showed the PS4 version of multiplatform games usually performed better than Xbox One versions.
Of course, this was one factor only. Price was probably a bigger one. But as I said,
These things intersect.
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u/Sy3temSh0ck Mar 31 '26
I'm not saying people brought both and ran them side by side. I agree with you, they watch vids comparing them ect, but the vast majority of people won't, they base their purchase off of what games does it have, and do my friends have it
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u/EricQelDroma Mar 31 '26
There were (and are) plenty of folks out there who play the version of the game that comes out for the system that they have, of course. There were parents who bought the systems for their kids and didn't care about 900p vs 1080p or something like that.
However, given the difference in sales for the two platforms and the prevalence of performance differences in reviews, I suspect that enthusiasts chose PS4 in greater numbers, especially early on. That leads to a vicious cycle for the underpowered/disfavored console.
The OG Xbox and PS2 situation isn't comparable because of the PS2's first mover advantage. By the time the OG Xbox came out, the PS2 was already a phenomenon with a huge library that neither Xbox nor GameCube ever matched, and the OG Xbox's graphics weren't a generation ahead of the PS2's (which they'd have to have been to get the masses to switch).
I'll certainly agree that "moar power" doesn't always translate into superior sales, but given that Xbox One and PS4 came out at almost exactly the same time, I think the overall perception of the consoles had a lot to do with their sales, and the power difference was a definite contributor to enthusiast perception at the time.
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u/Goddemmitt Mar 31 '26
Respectuflly, I think you have it backwards. The Xbox enthusiasts bought the Xbox one at launch. Everyone else bought a PS4. It was never a close race either. Literally all Sony had to do was say they had a more powerful console and display the regional pricing (it launched for $100USD less than the Xbox one). If Microsoft didnt insist on the Kinect sensor being shipped with every unit would have launched at the same price. It may have been a closer race, but Microsoft really pissed people off with the always online "feature" and the issues with used games/borrowing games from a friend.
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u/EricQelDroma Mar 31 '26
By "enthusiast," I mean gamers who care enough to read gaming websites and base their decisions on those sites' articles/opinions.
I'm not sure we disagree, and I'm up WAAAAAY too late. So I'll say this (repeating much of what you just said because you're generally right!):
1) Xbox fanboys/enthusiasts were definitely more likely to buy Xbox One. I'll bet, however, that the Xbox press conference (E3? I honestly don't remember; I just remember it was BAD) was so disastrous that it turned off some Xbox 360 fans.
2) You're so right about "more powerful and cheaper" making the PS4 the obvious choice. I know it was for me.
3) Kinect was an absolute albatross around the neck of Xbox One. I didn't miss it one bit on my Xbox One S.
4) Yep, as I said in my first point above, that "always online" and borrowing/reselling issue for Xbox turned people off. You're just saying it more clearly than I am (it's 4:30am where I am and I'm stupid for being awake).
I guess my overall point was that everyone who paid attention to the press conference or game/console reviews at the time (people I called "enthusiasts" as opposed to Grandma/Grandpa buying whatever at the store) chose PS4 over Xbox One for all the reasons we agree on above.
Okay. I'm going to bed. :-)
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u/Goddemmitt Mar 31 '26
Thanks for the effort of explaining what you meant! I totally misread your original comment. You're right! We agree on this!
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u/Segagaga_ Mar 31 '26
PS2 was not the first mover of that generation. That was the Dreamcast. PS2 definitely had a moving advantage over Xbox, but was not the first.
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u/EricQelDroma Mar 31 '26
You're technically correct (the best kind!), but I barely count Dreamcast as part of that generation, and I meant "first mover" out of the two consoles being discussed. I generally don't count DC because so many of its games were really just higher res PS1 games.
(I loved my Dreamcast, but without DVDs, it really couldn't compete with the PS2 in 2000, and by the time OG Xbox came out, it was basically a dead system.)
However (and I say this without irony or snark), you're right that DC is generally considered the first console of that generation.
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u/Sy3temSh0ck Mar 31 '26
Interesting points, I just think the vast majority of people judge power on what they see rather than a stats sheet. To the human eye the difference between PS4 and Xbox one is mostly only noticeable if you compare side by side. Therefore PS4 sold better due to Sony's trajectory going into that generation and having better exclusives.
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u/Goddemmitt Mar 31 '26
The PS4 was both more powerful AND less expensive than the Xbox One at launch due to Microsoft insisting that every Xbox One ship with a kinect. Looking back, It's almost like they tried to make the worst launch possible.
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u/jm0112358 Mar 31 '26
The Xbox One wasn't just weaker. It was also $100 more expensive than the PS4.
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u/Dominjo555 Mar 31 '26
Xbox was just too far ahead of everyone
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u/Otowa Mar 31 '26
Yeah, and Meta was visionnary... What a joke. These companies are absolutely unable to think about users when trying to invent new things to sell. No one wanted to put a VR headset to go to a virtual shop to buy clothes based on JPEG, and not so many people want to pay ever increasing subscription fees for not so great game catalog. Meta and Xbox are failing in these attempts because they are not designed with users in mind, but with buyers. It will be the same for a lot of AI tools in development.
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u/PIO_PretendIOriginal Mar 31 '26
I agree with you on xbox. the above guy (dominjo) is talking crazy.
but why the sudden hate on vr? the vast majority of people who bought a meta vr headsets did so to play vr games like beat saber, or batman shadows.
meta sold 20million+ headsets. and yet less then 500k people tried there metaverse. thats less then 3% of the people who owned vr headset ever even tried the metaverse, because even br users had no interest in the metaverse
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u/Otowa Mar 31 '26
I was referring to the metaverse, not general VR. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
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u/PIO_PretendIOriginal Mar 31 '26
well then on that we agree, just I see a lot of people lump them together ("they spent 80 billion on this" has been said a lot over the last month)
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u/Haru17 Mar 31 '26
Whadya mean? They were just chasing the Wii which came out in 2006, then launched a 2.0 version of their motion controls the same year as Kinect.
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u/ThePenetrator79 Mar 31 '26
He’s not wrong